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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    Im not forgetting it. Im accepting it as a possible cause of ASD. Or simply a mood disorder. But the reality is his behaviors today are consistent with his hyperpartisan behaviors prior to the event. Yes. He suffered a traumatic event. Still no indication of PTSD. If it was from the shooting Saturday it doesnt even meet criteria of duration avoidance, or impairment. 3 out of 6?
    It meets Criteria A, B, D, and F. He probably meets two of the five critera for C. I am only going with the PTSD diagnosis because of the reports that he has already suffered from it. ASD would not be appropriate; this would be a re-triggering of the PTSD. If he didn't suffer PTSD before, than I would agree and say that ASD is the more appropriate diagnosis.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Wife is getting grumpy and so its time to head to bed. I actually enjoyed the exchange. I still dont think that this guy is even close to criteria for a PTSD diagnosis (again...with the caveat that we know little of his past). No doubt he siffered a traumatic event. But his behaviors arent significantly different from his past. All I can do is take him at his words.

    "Today I'm back on my feet, more or less, and I'm in a combative mood," Fuller said as he limped across the store parking lot. "It's helping me. I've never had any trauma like this in my life."

    Later, he showed up at the home of accused gunman Jared Loughner, who lived within a half-mile of Fuller. "He said he was going to forgive him for shooting him," Richard Elder, 86, a retired medical mechanic who lives next door to Fuller, told The Associated Press Sunday. "If anyone shot me, I don't think I'd say, 'Hey feller, that's alright.'"
    Fuller posted about eight campaign signs in front of his house during the last election, including one for Giffords. And although Fuller was friendly, he acted odd sometimes, Elder said. Once, Fuller asked him if he was going to vote. "I told him there are two things I don't talk about: politics or religion. I told him that, and he walked off without another word." He said Fuller had shown him his bullet wounds and seemed to be dealing with the shooting well."

    As I said, I dont think the guy should go to jail. I dont see a value to it. I think if the 'victim' of his threat (time to put on the big boy pants) were a smart man, he would offer to meet with the guy, talk to him, show a little class. For some reason I dont have much hope of that happening.

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

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    You must have missed it because I didn't read any of those threads, so I have no knowledge of what the sheriff said.

    But I'm sure you have seen my outrage at people accusing Palin of causing this, right? Try not to be selective.
    I know I responded to this once already but I thought about it and something just wasnít right.

    Are you saying that you have never seen the 6:00 pm (AZ time) news briefing from the night of the shooting where the Pima County Sheriff made his preposterous statements? It was the first news briefing following the tragedy.

    You didnít see it live or on You-Tube or somewhere on this forum?

    If not, you donít keep yourself as informed on the issues as I had expected you would.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    It meets Criteria A, B, D, and F. He probably meets two of the five critera for C. I am only going with the PTSD diagnosis because of the reports that he has already suffered from it. ASD would not be appropriate; this would be a re-triggering of the PTSD. If he didn't suffer PTSD before, than I would agree and say that ASD is the more appropriate diagnosis.
    I dont know...I can see A and B...not C nor D and E and there isnt anything in his behavior that I can tell that is significantly different than the past. Certainly not adequate duration. Not ASD...but ASD closer than PTSD (we dont know what we dont know). And currently, Mood D/O NOS. Nothing more.

    Regardless...the incident was an emotional outburst. He didnt threaten anyone. I suspect he was doing little more than trying to make a point (although yelling at the crowd and calling them all whores...well...the sad part is I can see a LOT of people thyese days doing the same thing). Its time for people to let this simmer down.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    It meets Criteria A, B, D, and F. He probably meets two of the five critera for C. I am only going with the PTSD diagnosis because of the reports that he has already suffered from it. ASD would not be appropriate; this would be a re-triggering of the PTSD. If he didn't suffer PTSD before, than I would agree and say that ASD is the more appropriate diagnosis.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

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    I know I responded to this once already but I thought about it and something just wasn’t right.

    Are you saying that you have never seen the 6:00 pm (AZ time) news briefing from the night of the shooting where the Pima County Sheriff made his preposterous statements? It was the first news briefing following the tragedy.

    You didn’t see it live or on You-Tube or somewhere on this forum?

    If not, you don’t keep yourself as informed on the issues as I had expected you would.
    That's exactly what I'm saying. I was working until midnight that night. Also, I haven't watched any news on the TV in about 10 years. I refuse because it's not news... it's entertainment and biased entertainment at that. I also hate watching youtube videos. I read about what the sheriff said, the next day on an internet news article, minimally. Thought he was a complete inciting idiot just making things worse. I had no desire to read any of the threads about him. So, I didn't.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And fix your damn dot. Ever since it was pointed out its driving me crazy!
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    That's Raul, my pet gnat. He posts for me sometimes. He's my secret weapon.
    OK...but Im going to charge you for the new monitor because I keep rubbing my screen.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont know...I can see A and B...not C nor D and E and there isnt anything in his behavior that I can tell that is significantly different than the past. Certainly not adequate duration. Not ASD...but ASD closer than PTSD (we dont know what we dont know). And currently, Mood D/O NOS. Nothing more.
    A and B for sure. Probably not C, definitely not E. Certainly D and F. I agree with the duration issue, but that depends on whether he already had PTSD. It could have been retriggering. If not, closer to ASD. I don't know his current state, so I don't know what I would currently diagnose him with. Probably still PTSD. Not Mood Disorder NOS... not with the quick and dramatic onset, though it is possible after taking a history. We are generally speculating based on current symptoms without a complete history. We both know that is no way to diagnose someone.

    Regardless...the incident was an emotional outburst. He didnt threaten anyone. I suspect he was doing little more than trying to make a point (although yelling at the crowd and calling them all whores...well...the sad part is I can see a LOT of people thyese days doing the same thing). Its time for people to let this simmer down.
    I would agree with you here.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OK...but Im going to charge you for the new monitor because I keep rubbing my screen.

    Night!
    Stop rubbing Raul. It gets him excited.

    Good talking to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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