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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    I would think that you know that many PTSD sufferers are not completely debilitated. Many can function just like anyone else, for the most part. However, if an incident then triggers some symptom or issue that is complicated by their PTSD, the issue can get worse because of this triggering. His behavior is CERTAINLY different. He has never threatened any member of the Tea Party before. Undoubtedly, his over the top reaction was due to the triggering of his PTSD.

    Sometimes. I treat plenty with PTSD. From what I see, he was triggered, causing some of this extreme behavior. But again, this does not EXCUSE it. It only EXPLAINS it. I have said this repeatedly. Anyone who does not hear me say this has their own agenda.
    Dont know the history of the guy...this article indicates he pretty much is what he is what he has been...a partisan hack. Im still not seeing ANYTHING indicative of PTSD. Not before. Not after. Point of fact his behaviors since are decidedly NOT in line with a PTSD sufferer. His comments to the interviewer earlier in the week were "Ive never experienced trauma like this." I'll reserve judgement...but everything about him indicates bitter, angry, pissed off little person.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    Why go to the rally in the first place? Was that the PTSD too?
    Good question. No idea. He may not have been aware that it would be that triggering. He many have already been in a psychologically ill state.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    Dont know the history of the guy...this article indicates he pretty much is what he is what he has been...a partisan hack. Im still not seeing ANYTHING indicative of PTSD. Not before. Not after. Point of fact his behaviors since are decidedly NOT in line with a PTSD sufferer. His comments to the interviewer earlier in the week were "Ive never experienced trauma like this." I'll reserve judgement...but everything about him indicates bitter, angry, pissed off little person.
    I disagree. Everything that he did indicated a bitter, angry person with PTSD who's behavior at the meeting was behavior he had not exhibited before.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    He cannot avoid the trauma... the trauma was thrust upon him when he was in the shooting in Tuscan. This was the trigger. Even if he HADN'T had PTSD before, a scenario like that could have certainly caused it. His partisanship is irrelevant... it never caused him to make death threats before in the way that he did. This was a response to emotional trauma. And, as I said, that does not excuse his behavior nor absolves him from consequences. I have said this repeatedly. Failure to see that demonstrates an agenda.
    Come on Cap...lets assume he HAD PTSD from some past trauma incident. Do you honestgly believe his behaviors are in any way typical of a PTSD victim? His traumatic event CAUSED him to persist in his hatred of the Tea Party and Sarah Palin without regard to what he must SURELY know has been proven to be falsely directed? Instead of AVAOIDING traumatic incident he ENGAGES? He seeks OUT highly stressful situations? He engages in the same kind of politically charged behaviors he engaged in prior to the event.

    Example-Soldier is a POS before he joins the military. Crappy life, no values, kind of a turd to be blunt. Gets sent to Afghanistan. Loses a few friends but is never in a firefight. Returns home. Steps back into the same crappy life. Beats his wife. Oh look...he has PTSD. Its not his fault. Story does NOT have a happy ending. PTSD? Of COURSE not.

    Sorry...not seeing it as anything but an excuse. I'll allow for the possibility we are missing something important from his past...but...

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    I disagree. Everything that he did indicated a bitter, angry person with PTSD who's behavior at the meeting was behavior he had not exhibited before.
    PTSD in response to the shooting? Seriously? Going out of his way to ENGAGE in stressful situations? Seeking them? I know people respond to stressful situations differently. Id even buy ASD...but not PTSD. Again...not unless we are missing something major from his past and even then...his behaviors SINCE the traumatic event are MOST UN-PTSD like.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    Come on Cap...lets assume he HAD PTSD from some past trauma incident. Do you honestgly believe his behaviors are in any way typical of a PTSD victim? His traumatic event CAUSED him to persist in his hatred of the Tea Party and Sarah Palin without regard to what he must SURELY know has been proven to be falsely directed? Instead of AVAOIDING traumatic incident he ENGAGES? He seeks OUT highly stressful situations? He engages in the same kind of politically charged behaviors he engaged in prior to the event.

    Example-Soldier is a POS before he joins the military. Crappy life, no values, kind of a turd to be blunt. Gets sent to Afghanistan. Loses a few friends but is never in a firefight. Returns home. Steps back into the same crappy life. Beats his wife. Oh look...he has PTSD. Its not his fault. Story does NOT have a happy ending. PTSD? Of COURSE not.

    Sorry...not seeing it as anything but an excuse. I'll allow for the possibility we are missing something important from his past...but...
    You are forgetting the triggering event. THE SHOOTING. His partisan hackery was completely independent of this UNTIL THE SHOOTING. It wasn't PTSD that caused him to hate the Tea Party of Sarah Palin. That was all him. However, the shooting triggered the PTSD. His hackery dictated who the targets would be. His PTSD dictated how he would behave. HOW he expressed his feelings towards the Tea Party and Palin is the behavioral change.

    And AGAIN, you are ignoring the fact that I am not making excuses and have CONSISTENTLY said that he deserves the appropriate consequences. All I am doing is explaining the behavior. I am not sure why you are ignoring this important point. How about telling us why?
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    PTSD in response to the shooting? Seriously? Going out of his way to ENGAGE in stressful situations? Seeking them? I know people respond to stressful situations differently. Id even buy ASD...but not PTSD. Again...not unless we are missing something major from his past and even then...his behaviors SINCE the traumatic event are MOST UN-PTSD like.
    Remember, his behavior prior to the event were consistent with his behaviors after the event, based on his partisanship. Everyone does respond to situations such as these differently. He acted as he did in the past, but the added stress from the shooting trigged the additional behaviors.

    And remember, though the symptoms that you mention are consistent with the diagnosis of PTSD, so are the ones that I mentioned, as are an increased arousal state, including increased anger. Everyone responds differently. This is how he responded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are forgetting the triggering event. THE SHOOTING. His partisan hackery was completely independent of this UNTIL THE SHOOTING. It wasn't PTSD that caused him to hate the Tea Party of Sarah Palin. That was all him. However, the shooting triggered the PTSD. His hackery dictated who the targets would be. His PTSD dictated how he would behave. HOW he expressed his feelings towards the Tea Party and Palin is the behavioral change.

    And AGAIN, you are ignoring the fact that I am not making excuses and have CONSISTENTLY said that he deserves the appropriate consequences. All I am doing is explaining the behavior. I am not sure why you are ignoring this important point. How about telling us why?
    Im not forgetting it. Im accepting it as a possible cause of ASD. Or simply a mood disorder. But the reality is his behaviors today are consistent with his hyperpartisan behaviors prior to the event. Yes. He suffered a traumatic event. Still no indication of PTSD. If it was from the shooting Saturday it doesnt even meet criteria of duration avoidance, or impairment. 3 out of 6?

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are forgetting the triggering event. THE SHOOTING. His partisan hackery was completely independent of this UNTIL THE SHOOTING. It wasn't PTSD that caused him to hate the Tea Party of Sarah Palin. That was all him. However, the shooting triggered the PTSD. His hackery dictated who the targets would be. His PTSD dictated how he would behave. HOW he expressed his feelings towards the Tea Party and Palin is the behavioral change.

    And AGAIN, you are ignoring the fact that I am not making excuses and have CONSISTENTLY said that he deserves the appropriate consequences. All I am doing is explaining the behavior. I am not sure why you are ignoring this important point. How about telling us why?
    I guess I would like to know if you think he should be punished in just the same way as someone who couldn't claim PTSD.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I guess I would like to know if you think he should be punished in just the same way as someone who couldn't claim PTSD.
    With whatever consequences are appropriate for his actions. Absolutely. He should receive treatment, also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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