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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont know about sticking up for him, but they have certainly created for him a built in defense. Its not his fault...he was cwaaaaaazy! And how could he not be with this constant climate of hatred...like...well...like what this Fuller cat is spewing...
    We're seeing the hypocrisy of some folks--yes, mostly Libbos--in that Loughner was a politics crazed killer and even if he wasn't, he needs to go to jail for the rest of his life, if not go to the gas chamber.

    But Fuller? He's just a victim and needs observation and therapy. BTW, it's irrelevant all of a sudden that Fuller's a partisan hack.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    I can't believe you making excuses for this clown. I'm totally blown away.
    I can't believe that you actually think I'm making excuses for him. I'm not. I'm explaining his behavior. He should receive treatment AND consequences commenserate with his behavior.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post

    I guess. Still, political discourse is healthy and sometimes necessary.
    SOME political discourse is healthy, but it depends on how. Lies, misrepresentations, and statements with the intent to villify and nothing else are not healthy. They create more divisiveness and more gridlock. And more anger.


    And ummm blaming Palin was completely unfounded and calling Loughner a conservative or tea partier was unfounded.
    I agree. As was calling Loughner a liberal or blaming liberals ONLY for the aggressive rhetoric over the past X amount of years.

    My post showed some proof that maybe he was a liberal after all. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
    No, your post didn't. You made an innacurate association, one that only brings about more unhealthy discourse. Which is why I pointed it out.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Where exactly is this individual supposed to be a PTSD sufferer again? He seems to be a fairly well function ing individual...he has worked for and petitions for political campaigns. He had to interrupt his tennis game to attend the political function that was the site of the shooting. He made repeated mindless baised comments even after his rhetoric has been proven lies. His behavior at this event is no different or worse than his previous. SO again...whence the mental illness?
    I would think that you know that many PTSD sufferers are not completely debilitated. Many can function just like anyone else, for the most part. However, if an incident then triggers some symptom or issue that is complicated by their PTSD, the issue can get worse because of this triggering. His behavior is CERTAINLY different. He has never threatened any member of the Tea Party before. Undoubtedly, his over the top reaction was due to the triggering of his PTSD.

    Color me a little skeptical about the PTSD claims. You know as well as I do that it is as overused and abused as a diagnosis (and dodge for irresponsible behaviors) as is ADHD, BPD and any of the diagnosis du'joir.
    Sometimes. I treat plenty with PTSD. From what I see, he was triggered, causing some of this extreme behavior. But again, this does not EXCUSE it. It only EXPLAINS it. I have said this repeatedly. Anyone who does not hear me say this has their own agenda.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Makes you wonder if all the people sticking up for this doofuss, took up for Loughner in the same manner. Don't it?

    My observation tells me...uh, no! Which screams, hypocrisy.
    Make me wonder why you are ignoring consistency. I, for one, am being consistent. Both men were motivated by mental illness. Both men's mental illness, meeting with their extreme political views combined to cause their reactions. Both men's mental illness helps explain their behaviors. Both men are responsible for their behaviors regardless of their mental illness and should receive consequences in accordance with what they did. This is consistency. Like I said... anyone who doesn't see this has their own agenda and has no objectivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im sorry...you know that how exactly? And what exactly is the source of his initial PTSD? And how is his alleged PTSD experience and treatment relational too his obvious partisan bias and outbursts which have NOTHING to do with what actually occured? Sorry...it just doesnt synch. 1 = 1 has to equal '2'...not 'truck.' Where is his attempts to avoid the tramua? Hell, this cat is looking for opportunities to engage.
    He cannot avoid the trauma... the trauma was thrust upon him when he was in the shooting in Tuscan. This was the trigger. Even if he HADN'T had PTSD before, a scenario like that could have certainly caused it. His partisanship is irrelevant... it never caused him to make death threats before in the way that he did. This was a response to emotional trauma. And, as I said, that does not excuse his behavior nor absolves him from consequences. I have said this repeatedly. Failure to see that demonstrates an agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I can't believe that you actually think I'm making excuses for him. I'm not. I'm explaining his behavior. He should receive treatment AND consequences commenserate with his behavior.
    IOW, you're making excuses. I don't recall you, "explaining his behavior", when talking about Loughner.

    had Fuller not granted an interview with Amy Goodman, specifically accusing Palin, Beck and Angle for the Safeway Shooting, you might have a case, but...
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Make me wonder why you are ignoring consistency. I, for one, am being consistent. Both men were motivated by mental illness. Both men's mental illness, meeting with their extreme political views combined to cause their reactions. Both men's mental illness helps explain their behaviors. Both men are responsible for their behaviors regardless of their mental illness and should receive consequences in accordance with what they did. This is consistency. Like I said... anyone who doesn't see this has their own agenda and has no objectivity.
    How objective are you being in ignoring that the guy already had it in for the T party. Couldn't that, at least, suggest something other than PTSD was at work here?
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you're making excuses. I don't recall you, "explaining his behavior", when talking about Loughner.

    had Fuller not granted an interview with Amy Goodman, specifically accusing Palin, Beck and Angle for the Safeway Shooting, you might have a case, but...
    Explaining Loughner's behavior? That's all anyone did except for the few who jumped to conclusions.

    Almost EVERYONE said "that guy was obviously ****ing crazy and no one did anything about it, damnit!" and "if Dupnik had really done his job this would have been prevented!" - see, he needed to have been committed a long damn time ago.

    And so Fuller is obviously heading that way - and here we are trying to do something about it - but you're not supporting what does HAVE to be done.

    Why do you think that just putting him in jail and jail alone will keep him from harming someone when he gets out?
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you're making excuses. I don't recall you, "explaining his behavior", when talking about Loughner.
    Perhaps you don't recall, but I have been clear that it was mental illness NOT political position that motivated Loughner's behavior. If you'd like, I'll go find some posts where I said that. I think anyone rational understands that.

    had Fuller not granted an interview with Amy Goodman, specifically accusing Palin, Beck and Angle for the Safeway Shooting, you might have a case, but...
    Again, whether or not he gave an interview has little to do with his mental state at the moment that he made his death threats. Issues like this can build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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