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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Aunt Spiker, other people got shot by Loughner, none of them threatened somebody who had nothing to so with the shooting. Don't you wonder if, maybe, he's using his status as "victim" to excuse his behavior? I've seen some mention here that they guy already disliked the T party. If he's pissed, I don't blame him, but he's directing it to somebody who doesn't deserve it.
    Think about this logically:
    If we just processed him like a traditonal criminal he could be bailed out while awaiting trial - Does anyone want that? The very center of this issue is that he actually threatened someone's life - and he might actually follow through with that. If he goes to court he will NOT be facing life in prison or something, you know. How long might he sit in a cell and cook? A few months? A few years? Is that going to actually mellow out his threat?

    Yes - That's how everyone else's view might actually pan out if his possible mental status is ignored = him being out and about, looking for an opportunity to finish what he started.

    However - If he has PTSD issues - he needs medical help so he WON'T actually follow through with his threat. If he's determined to be mentally unstable he can LEGALLY be obtained for SAFETY reasons - and he will NOT be given such quick 'out the door' access to freedom and all that many fun weapons at his disposal.

    He WILL come home at some point. He will not be getting locked away for life - he WILL be out of the legal-mire at some point. When that point comes to do you want him to be sort of "normal" in the head post treatment or do you still want him to be ****ed in the head without any treatment and FREE?

    As we've seen from Loughner: if you IGNORE the fact that someoen might be ****ED in the head - and you just let them wander FREE to act on their feelings they MIGHT actually follow through with their THREATS. Is that what everyone wants from Fuller? Do others actually want him to be bailed out of jail, mentally unstable and actually KILL someone?
    Would that make you all feel good or something? I absolutely and most certainly don't want him to be wandering around looking for an opportunity to try to lick his wound with a .50. If he's coming back around I'd rather he be a little better off and not wrapped in thick bitterness and hatred.

    My view = a higher chance that he WON'T act on his threat. It's scientifically proven.
    Other people's view = a higher chance that he WILL act on his threat. It's scientifically proven.

    Sorry it pisses everyone off - but that's how people work. That's how things are. IF he has a mental issue right now and he does NOT receive treatment he WILL be free WITH his ****ed up mind.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Except that there is this sir:
    OMG, so a guy on the left who had a long standing problem with Beck, Palin, etc felt that this was the fault of Beck, Palin, etc

    My god! That is absolute proof that media pundits gave him that idea and inspired him to make death threads!

    Oh wait, or maybe its possible that notion came from his own thoughts and views regarding Beck regardless of what the media stated.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Actually - if a victim who suffered wants to blame the party then I'm all for it . . . I never judge what someone in that situation thinks or feels and I won't hold it against them.

    It's everyone else not directly affected that needs to stop the ridiculous rhetoric - but if a victim is hurt and angry then I'm not about to encourage them to *not* express that.
    The shooter was a Libertarian, socialist and hardcore Atheist


    Yeah that's really your typical T-bager

    I hope the SOB gets the maximum punishment afforded under the law just for being a dumbass.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The shooter was a Libertarian, socialist and hardcore Atheist


    Yeah that's really your typical T-bager

    I hope the SOB gets the maximum punishment afforded under the law just for being a dumbass.
    Sweet Jerry - read all my other posts - especially my most recent.

    If he was in a therapist's office or a support group he could say whatever he wanted to. Getting angry at a victim when they're angry isn't going to diffuse the situation. that doesn't make his threat excusable - but it give precedent to intervene and sequester him for observation and clinical intervention.

    But, no, I still don't think less of him - he's just struggling to deal with happened to him, that's all. If I had my way - he'd get help and get better. If everyone else had their way he'd just be a walking time bomb.

    Somehow people think that him serving a little bit of jail time would FIX him - in fact - I think it would make him WORSE because not only would be blame the shooting on the Tea Party or whoever - he'd blame his prison time on them, too.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    It is the best evidence that the leftists are themselves biggest terrorists.
    This is the best evidence that you are clueless on this issue.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Unless you are also 'IAMITTER' I have to admit that I have no idea what your comments are or were. I read the OP...a few comments on page 3 of posts, some on page 5, a few on page 11, then skipped to the end. Wasnt addressing you. What I have seen from your comments on other threads pretty much mirror mine...that there is one individual that is responsible for the actions on 8 January. That BOTH sides have used vitriol and rhetoric. And regardless of incident, Fuller is not in any way shape or form justified in venting his own personal hatred against a Tea Party member or ANYONE other than the shooter.

    My personal opinion...the shooter was unhinged (NOT mentally ill) from years of low self esteem, probably a bit spoiled, and a major asshole to boot. Certainly he is responsible for his own actiuons. Mr Fuller sounds to me like he is a politically motivated partisan hack that is using a very personal tragedy to promote his own version of hatred. Even when the facts were known about the lack of right wing influence on Loughner he CONTINUES to spew his own venom and hate filled rhetoric. Thats not PTSD...thats him being a major asshole as well. Sounds to me like he got out of his little public display exactly what he wanted.
    I disagree. Fuller was already diagnosed with PTSD. The shooting incident obviously worsened it. It was certainly a PTSD reaction that he had. Doesn't excuse it. Only explains it.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    From what I've read you have little sympathy for anyone suffering from any sort of a mental issue.
    You expect everyone - no matter what - to react reasonably in every situation.

    But that's not how things work.
    Did you see the video that was linked earlier of his interview the day before the threats? Not the words of someone mentally ill; rather, the words of someone who is so biased politically, he likely takes everything Keith Olberman says as gospel...
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    CONGRESS CRITTER!?!?!?!?!?

    Why do you insist on this over the top hyperbolic expression labeling human beings as animals?
    Oh. give me a break... how many times have people said "congress critter" on here and elsewhere without comment... why not actually tackle the problem...
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Please show where I claimed that other than claiming he just as likely could be a lefty as a righty. Yes, I may have given examples like the Communist Manifesto as a retort to accusations of the gold standard making him a righty.
    He's neither. And even if he was it shouldn't be blamed on the words of Sarah Palin or Keith Olbermann.
    The truth is, the guy is more than likely a schitzophrenic.
    Here you go Barb... from your thread titled "AZ Shooter Jared Loughner a liberal":

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    This creep is obviously a liberal since he is anti-flag, anti-war, anti- God.

    snip...


    I'm sure he is a left-wing nut, but he is a nut and only he is to blame.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Geez...lighten up
    Please get things correct, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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