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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh I dunno, maybe the fact there were folks in the media blaming the Tea Party from the word Go... now this guy makes death threats against the Tea Party Leader...

    Seems like a clear case of believing lies to me.
    You realize this is the exact same thing that people who were going "Oh I don't know, Palin puts crosshairs on this woman and says she needs to be taken out, and then someone shoots her, seems like a clear case to me."

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    YOU made accusations towards the left by claiming that Loughner was a lefty. So, since you are all into retractions of lies and misinformation, how about retracting.
    Please show where I claimed that other than claiming he just as likely could be a lefty as a righty. Yes, I may have given examples like the Communist Manifesto as a retort to accusations of the gold standard making him a righty.
    He's neither. And even if he was it shouldn't be blamed on the words of Sarah Palin or Keith Olbermann.
    The truth is, the guy is more than likely a schitzophrenic.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Point out where anyone at DP said it was acceptable.
    Geez...lighten up
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's nothing wrong with this dude. He's just pissed off and wants to blame someone. He's just like every other dumbass that wants to blame, "The Right". And that, I have zero sympathy for.

    At some point, people have to take responsibility for their actions and stop making excuses for doing stupid ****. He should be prosecuted and made an example, just like Loughner.
    Oh - now you're a psychologist and long distance - over the internet - you're diagnosing him for what's "really wrong with him"
    Since you're so intellectually aware of the world that's far away from you - how many fingers am I holding up?

    Or how about we put him in the mental-health wing of a hospital for observation and analysis and then have DOCTORS actually determine his mental condition and what to do, next?

    And Loughner's not an example of HOW TO HANDLE THINGS - he's an example of what happens when someone's a nutter and doesn't get put away for a while. . . he's an example of what happens when people don't DO anything.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's nothing wrong with this dude. He's just pissed off and wants to blame someone. He's just like every other dumbass that wants to blame, "The Right". And that, I have zero sympathy for.

    At some point, people have to take responsibility for their actions and stop making excuses for doing stupid ****. He should be prosecuted and made an example, just like Loughner.
    Who is making excuses for his actions?

    What is the best responsible thing for him to do?

    Most people are advocating that he gets help, not that his behavior be excused...

    And the guy was shot twice at a community gathering, where he did nothing wrong. I'd say he has every right to be angry or upset about that... If you want to argue his anger is misdirected, then that is a different direction than the conversation has been in since I have gotten here, but I'd agree with you.

    Hoping that he gets help would involve helping him realize his anger is misguided.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You realize this is the exact same thing that people who were going "Oh I don't know, Palin puts crosshairs on this woman and says she needs to be taken out, and then someone shoots her, seems like a clear case to me."
    I honestly haven't been watching this unfold on the networks... I don't have time.

    Is Olbermann, Beck, Hannity and the rest of them blaming each others rhetoric? If the left is pointing out Palin's map, is the right talking about this guy and pointing to MNSBC like some people are doing in this thread?

    Personally, I don't think it's Palin's fault.. it would be idiotic to say her map was responsible or encouraged it. I do think her map was in bad taste, and I remember when it came out... it got a lot of negative attention. She didn't remove it back then, and I think she is smart enough to know that the map was going to create that type of reaction. I think that is part of ploy to stay in the media though.

    For as much as she claims the media is against her and has it out for her, she loves giving them "ammo" and this time it came back and bit her in the a**.

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    *snip*
    Wait a minute - on second thought - what the hell is your point, here? Are you actually suggesting that we shouldn't try to rehabilitate people who are suffering from mental illnesses and emotional problems? Gee - let's just throw the baby out with the bathwater, then, yeah?

    Fuller is having issues dealing with what happened to him - he needs medical assistance and intervention so he can move on with his life in a *good way* - he's not a thug on a street corner.

    If they had given notice and adequate medical intervention and threw Loughner in the psych-ward because he was a proven a threat to OTHERS then Fuller wouldn't even BE injured and struggling to recover right now.

    So obviously - YES - the importance of helping those who have MENTAL issues is VERY important.

    But an amount of understanding should be extended to Fuller - you don't have to AGREE with him (heavens - I don't) - but people MUST understand that being a victim of a horrible tragedy is VERY hard for the mind to cope with.

    People all to often DON'T care and DON'T give such people the medical help they need - and the individual, their families - or others they know - suffer, often with their own lives.

    Need I go into suicide and family-homicide horror stories from the countless soldiers who are suffering from PTSD and *don't get help for their mental problems?*

    *why* is it that whenever someone is given *medical help* in a psych-ward people ALWAYS toss around the notion that said individual is 'getting off the hook' or 'being coddled'

    Have you been institutionalized? Was it fun or something?

    The system FAILED to protect Fuller and the many others - I think we at least OWE Fuller *that much* help on his path to real recovery.
    Aunt Spiker, other people got shot by Loughner, none of them threatened somebody who had nothing to so with the shooting. Don't you wonder if, maybe, he's using his status as "victim" to excuse his behavior? I've seen some mention here that they guy already disliked the T party. If he's pissed, I don't blame him, but he's directing it to somebody who doesn't deserve it.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're doing it again. Don't claim that people are making arguments that they are not actually making.
    Where does this come from? What am I doing again?
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You realize this is the exact same thing that people who were going "Oh I don't know, Palin puts crosshairs on this woman and says she needs to be taken out, and then someone shoots her, seems like a clear case to me."
    Except that there is this sir:

    A victim of the Arizona shootings who had been widely quoted in the news media as blaming the massacre on rhetoric from Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin is a known liberal activist who has previously campaigned against Beck.

    The victim, James Eric Fuller, was arrested yesterday at a Tuscan town hall meeting after shouting "You're dead!" at Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries.

    He was charged with making threats, intimidation and disorderly conduct and was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation, said Pima County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jason Ogan.

    Fuller, a 63 year-old disabled military veteran, was shot in the knee and back during the attack that wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and left six people dead and 13 others wounded.

    Following the shooting, Fuller gave an interview to the far-left Democracy NOW, in which he did not mince words at apportioning blame for the tragedy.

    "It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the rest got their first target," Fuller said.

    "Their wish for Second Amendment activism has been fulfilled – senseless hatred leading to murder, lunatic fringe anarchism, subscribed to by John Boehner, mainstream rebels with vengeance for all, even 9-year-old girls," he added, referring to the death of nine year old Christina Taylor Green.



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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Aunt Spiker, other people got shot by Loughner, none of them threatened somebody who had nothing to so with the shooting. Don't you wonder if, maybe, he's using his status as "victim" to excuse his behavior? I've seen some mention here that they guy already disliked the T party. If he's pissed, I don't blame him, but he's directing it to somebody who doesn't deserve it.
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