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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Color me amazed. 8 days later...and we are not only STILL having this discussion but there are still people blaming Palin and the Tea PArty for an act they had nothing to do with AND justifying a 'victims' hatred of people NOT involved with his actual shooting.

    Wow.
    Who are those people exactly @ your first point.

    To your second - you clearly didn't read Aunt Spiker's post. Noone's saying he was right in doing what he did, but there are clearly reasons behind what he did, as can be attributed to his being in the hospital now.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh sorry - didn't see your question.
    By the law they did the right thing - he posed a direct threat and they responded to his actions.

    But I think he's having serious issues and should be placed first and foremost in the care of a psychiatric unit for a little while. . .He needs *help* - not a trial

    I still don't look *down* on him for what he's feeling. . .do I agree with him or encourage him to act on his feelings? no - but I don't think he's a horrible person for struggling with this.

    I really truly hope he pulls through and is given the care he needs. If he pulls through then maybe he'll see things with a different - more reasonable - perspective.

    But then again - he might struggle with these issues his whole entire life. (I pray not, though).
    I respect where you are coming from. I think the guy needs help too... and is probably emotionally unstable and angry. He might feel hopelessness and be acting out, and not be planning a murder or have it in him. I hope the guy gets help... I participate in a support group and it's mostly females, so I often wonder if men don't want to reach out for help.. you know, talking about their feelings and stuff. The guy is older and he is a disabled vet, life may feel really unfair to him in some ways because he's survived a lot already...

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right...so you believe the guy just RANDOMLY decided...hmmm...I bet that guy was a influenced by the Tea Party? Like...he hasnt been interviewed a few dozen times...done TV shows...didnt bother to go to a town hall meeting...
    Show me proof that he did what he did because of the media's influence and I'll retract my statement.

    Until then, you, like a few others here, are just speculating without any evidence.

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    So, how long do you think it will take before the media either blames this one on conservatives, or assesses equal blame on both sides?

    You all know that's what's going to happen don't you?
    Stop looking for people to blame. Sh*t happens. Pointing fingers doesn't serve any productive purpose.

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Point out those who tried to blame the left. Not those who pointed out he seemed more left than right, but those who actually blamed the left.
    Then you are trying not to connect the dots. Here lets play it out. Palin is some sort of head for the Tea Party, for whatever reason, and on her website there is a picture with a crosshair on the Congresswoman's name. The guy shoots her, therefore it is the fault of Palin and the Tea Party. Stupid logic right? Ok now, he read the Communist Manifesto. Marx wrote that and Communism leans left, therefore it is the fault of the left. Equally as stupid logic right? Both have been said by equally stupid partisan hacks. Also, you honestly think that people trying to constantly bring up what books he read and what a friend thought his political leanings were, weren't trying to pin him on the left? Really? The dude was an apolitical nut and that is about it, trying to say anything more is just partisan logic.

    The media, the sheriff and even some politicians blamed the right. They took and ran with the sheriff's opinions.
    Again the media got lucky that the head of the investigation was saying these things, so they had to run with it. But when the Sheriff says something about the shooting, than the media is going to report what he said and pundits are going to talk about it and make stupid ass conclusions like pundits do.

    NYT refuses to retract any of the lies. They say that's up to Krugman. So until they do, many people will go on believing the lies.
    I'm not blaming anyone but loughner for the shooting.
    And the Times is right, they do not have to retract the Krugman story because it was an opinion article. The Times can publish their own opinion differing from Krugman, but they are under no obligation to correct what he said since it was his opinion.

    I am blaming the left for everything that has happened since.
    You can blame anyone you want, just like this victim can blame anyone you want. It is your freedom to do as you see fit. It doesn't make it right. Personally I am going to blame everyone who makes this into a more political circus than it already is.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right...so you believe the guy just RANDOMLY decided...hmmm...I bet that guy was a influenced by the Tea Party? Like...he hasnt been interviewed a few dozen times...done TV shows...didnt bother to go to a town hall meeting...
    Honestly, it probably has more to do with his mental state in where he places blame. He obviously needed mental help, and as CC said blame can be misplaced, because these people are not of rational mind. Does it excuse what he did? No. But it may offer some reasoning to why he is acting the way he did.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right...so you believe the guy just RANDOMLY decided...hmmm...I bet that guy was a influenced by the Tea Party? Like...he hasnt been interviewed a few dozen times...done TV shows...didnt bother to go to a town hall meeting...
    Here's a little Krugman is an asshole humor. I think we all need it. It's just a short clip of a very funny show. I'm watching it right now and they all sound just like the people on DP talking about this subject. http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/14/fo...t-out-asshole/
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Show me proof that he did what he did because of the media's influence and I'll retract my statement.

    Until then, you, like a few others here, are just speculating without any evidence.
    You are correct. Since it is unlikely the hospital will permit me to interview him I will have to base my initial response on the fact that mindless ****heads have and continue to blame the Tea Party for the actions of one self important little prick that has been verified to have had no influence by said groups. And since he targeted a representative of the Tea Party that has been accused, then yes indeed...I 'presume' that he has been biased and influenced. Im making a presumption...and my presumption is as informed as yours that he has not been so influenced.

    YES!!!! A tit for tat game! Your turn...go!

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Show me proof that he did what he did because of the media's influence and I'll retract my statement.

    Until then, you, like a few others here, are just speculating without any evidence.
    Oh...update...here is his interview with "Democracy Now"...dateline...14 January. Thats yesterday.



    Nah...he's not a moronic biased liberal. And the truth...well...yet another casualty in this whole sad ordeal.

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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are correct. Since it is unlikely the hospital will permit me to interview him I will have to base my initial response on the fact that mindless ****heads have and continue to blame the Tea Party for the actions of one self important little prick that has been verified to have had no influence by said groups. And since he targeted a representative of the Tea Party that has been accused, then yes indeed...I 'presume' that he has been biased and influenced. Im making a presumption...and my presumption is as informed as yours that he has not been so influenced.

    YES!!!! A tit for tat game! Your turn...go!
    Yes, but see, I'm not making a presumption. Where did I ever say he was NOT influenced by the media? He could have been - this I freely admit. A lot of things could be. However, as there is no proof of this as of now, it is wrong of us to presume.

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