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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I must have missed your outrage at the sheriff following said sheriff's news briefing the night of the shooting.
    You must have missed it because I didn't read any of those threads, so I have no knowledge of what the sheriff said.

    But I'm sure you have seen my outrage at people accusing Palin of causing this, right? Try not to be selective.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Aunt, if we let every body who has mental issues off the hook, nobody would ever be held accountable for anything.
    You're doing it again. Don't claim that people are making arguments that they are not actually making.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Be honest though, CC. Aren't you curious what those left wingers who did blame the right are going to say about this? I am.
    I guess they are going to try to be civil.....or maybe not.
    Note, they haven't removed the derogatory term teabagger from their rhetoric.
    Trent Humphries blames Giffords for Saturdayís shooting - In The Aggregate Ė Arizona's political blogs

    OK I watched that video TWICE. Sombody please point out where he blamed Giffords for the shooting. My God, the man's had his own life threatened and they are attacking him!
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I BEG of you that you look at THIS example. That BOTH sides are full of crap and BOTH spew propaganda. This is one of those VERY very times where you can see BOTH liberal AND conservative media SPINING! Im not asking you to be a Libertarian.... Im just BEGGING you to see whats is really going on in our beautiful Nation. The disgusting propaganda. Each side smacking each other. It MUST STOP! Its killing us. We must...... just MUST be better than this! NO MORE PROPAGANDA!!! please
    Noodle, I see exactly what is going on. It's more demonization of the right for political gain. It's as simple as that.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I BEG of you that you look at THIS example. That BOTH sides are full of crap and BOTH spew propaganda. This is one of those VERY very times where you can see BOTH liberal AND conservative media SPINING! Im not asking you to be a Libertarian.... Im just BEGGING you to see whats is really going on in our beautiful Nation. The disgusting propaganda. Each side smacking each other. It MUST STOP! Its killing us. We must...... just MUST be better than this! NO MORE PROPAGANDA!!! please
    I agree 100%. It is disgusting to see these debates over right vs left constantly on this shooting. Nearly every blog out there has degraded to the level of youtube comments.

    "the right is doing this"
    "No! the left is actually behind all this!"

    I would suggest the more intelligent people don't use those collective terms that often...

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You must have missed it because I didn't read any of those threads, so I have no knowledge of what the sheriff said.

    But I'm sure you have seen my outrage at people accusing Palin of causing this, right? Try not to be selective.
    I havenít bothered with any of the Palin threads because I donít like her and have no interest in what those who hate her are saying.


    Looks like you are as guilty as I am when it comes to making assumptions doesnít it?

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Political discourse had nothing to do with it, but when political pundits say something, they are under no obligation to retract or reprint anything, because they are really not held to any journalistic integrity. And the media could report on what they did at first because of what the Sheriff said, so they should say what has changed, but since they had a source within the police force saying it was because of the right wing, so they do not have to.

    And it isn't right for people to be blaming it on anyone. And I expect to see apologies and retractions as soon as I see it from people who tried and pin it on the left.



    Point out those who tried to blame the left. Not those who pointed out he seemed more left than right, but those who actually blamed the left.
    The media, the sheriff and even some politicians blamed the right. They took and ran with the sheriff's opinions. NYT refuses to retract any of the lies. They say that's up to Krugman. So until they do, many people will go on believing the lies.
    I'm not blaming anyone but loughner for the shooting.
    I am blaming the left for everything that has happened since.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No one told Sarah Palin that a killing was going to happen ahead of time, how did she randomly know to put crosshairs on this congresswoman?
    Uh, well, in Palin's case, the crosshairs were before the shooting, not in response to it. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

    Seriously...could it possibly be that this guy...like many in the media, in politics, and on this forum...on his own volition came to that asinine idea on his own? Are you saying that's impossible?
    No, of course I'm not. As the saying goes, anything's possible. I'm looking at what's most likely.

    And if its not impossible, then what proof do you have that his opinion came due to the "rhetoric" from people on the left in the aftermath of this and not due to his own thoughts and opinions?
    His own thoughts and opinions? How does one even get from point A (the shooting) to point B (T party's fault) if there's no direct line, except that provided by the sheriff and others on the left? Ok, no I can't get in his head but I'm not looking at this in a vacuum either.


    Really? You've been consistent?

    I must've missed your condemnation of individuals baselessly using this for political gain such as the following post which, when people made similar regarding the tea party you were all over them pointing out their ridiculousness:
    I understood Grim's point. Look at it this way, if I knew some guy was pissed about something, then I tell that guy it was you who did it, whether it was true or not, am I responsible for what the guy does? No, but that does not change that I pointed him in your direction in the first place.



    And really, you are CONSISTENT with comments like this?
    I stand by that. You wanna talk about consistency, let's see it from all those folks that still blame Palin and the T party. They're the ones who say that the volatile rhetoric can be the cause of violence.



    I thought in the all the threads that were blaming the tea party you were saying how there's no proof that the tea party in any way influenced this man through their "atmosphere".
    Because there wasn't.

    Yet somehow you're amking a claim that the "left wing pundits" DID create the "Very atmosphere" that you were saying they were wrong about with regards to the Tea Party.
    Details do matter. Left wing pundits did blame the T party. Some still do. Laughner, however, was not a T party supporter, contrary to what was reported. In essence the "allegation" against the T party was false but the allegation that I'm making against the left wing pundits is, unfortunately, true.

    It seems you're not even consistent in this thread, let alone with your stance over the past week.

    For further evidence, how about this post



    Sure seems like you're making a claim that this guy WAS motivated by "the left's rhetoric". So again, I ask you...where's your proof on this? Are are you just capitalizing on coincidences and assumptions with absolutely no proof in hopes of pushing a political agenda and taking advantage of death threats for your own partisan reasons?
    I don't think that I am. I'm just looking for some parity.

    Seriously, you're not consistent save for in your attempts to act like you are with hollow words here or there that are betrayed when someone looks at your other posts in the thread.
    I've said in other threads that, even if there is a connection between some violent action, and the media of whichever slant, the fault will always lie with the nut who commits the act.
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    Re: AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'll ask your as well. Show me more PROOF that this man's opinion was formed due to being influenced by liberal commentators suggesting it was the Tea Party's fault rather than due to his own views and thoughts on the situation than was provided when people suggested that conservatives were to blame for the killing?
    He had the view of the tea party before the shooting. He campaigned for Giffords and had not so kind words for her Tea Party opponent.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

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    Yet you only go after silly things that the left says, never the right. You do not see the big picture at all. ALL of these things hurt people. Misinformation makes people believe things that are not true and then act on them.
    I don't think the media blaming Palin and talk radio is silly. I think it's vicious and nothing but lies for political gain.
    They were trying to use the shooting as a crisis that shouldn't be wasted.


    Because a lie from the right is EQUAL to a lie from the left. Again, you refuse to take any responsibility for the behaviors of your side. You continue to demonstrate that you avoid looking a the entire picture because it might actually challenge you to consider that your side has responsibility
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    Saying that loughner was just as likely to be left as right is not a lie. When someone says he talked about the gold standard, so must be a rightwinger, I can say one of his favorite reads was the Communist Manifesto. That is not a lie and that's not placing blame on the left. I haven't seen the right blame the left for the shooting. I've only seen them defending themselves against the lies of the left.



    Hack statement. This goes back far further than Saturday. Your side is just as responsible.[/QUOTE
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    I disagree
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