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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

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    Arizona Shooting Victim Criticizes Palin, Beck and Fox News | Media Matters for America

    I can't believe I'm posting a link to MM.
    Maybe someone should lock me up because I must be losing my mind.
    Anyway, this Fuller sounds dangerous to me and if all we learn from this is that we need improvement as far as diagnosing and treating the mentally ill, that would be a good thing. This guy may show up at a Sarah Palin Rally and take out as many people as possible.
    I understand the police released him?
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

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    The cops had to act here. You can't let a comment like that just go ignored. At the same time, I think a mental institute for a psych evaluation is probably the better option right now. Getting him some psychological help, or at least an evaluation, to see if this is less of a legitimate threat and more of something stress induced from the situation would be a good first step.
    I agree completely. Here's a story. About 7 years ago, in a local high school, the senior class went on a school sponsored whitewater rafting trip. They were all told to wear life jackets. One student decided not to and, the raft capsized and he drowed. I was called in to do some crisis intervention with the student body to help them to cope with the issue. As part of their grieving process, many students, in the bargaining/anger stage, took out their grief on the school and the school officials. It was the school's fault for having the trip. It was the school's fault for not forcing him to wear the life jacket. It was the school's fault for not telling the students what happened soon enough. Many students blamed the school... out of their anger and grief, to try to make sense of an completely tragic and uncontrolled event. This is common in tragedies. My job, as a crisis interventionist was to help the students to calm down, discuss what really happened, help them to make associations in their own lives, and to help them to talk. The school was not to blame, and the students were held accountable for the disruptions they caused because of their false blaming. Didn't change the fact that this is how they felt. They needed help from trained professionals. So does Fuller.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Just heard on Geraldo that Fuller is under a 72 hr watch/evalution in some kind of hospital. something like that. This is good news.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What do birthers have to do with anything? What about truthers? What about GW alarmists? As far as I'm concerned they're allowed to believe any silly thing they want as long as they're not hurting anyone.
    Yet you only go after silly things that the left says, never the right. You do not see the big picture at all. ALL of these things hurt people. Misinformation makes people believe things that are not true and then act on them.

    Why should those who said loughner seemed like more of a liberal than a conservative have to apologize for stating a fact against the lies that he was on the right?
    Because a lie from the right is EQUAL to a lie from the left. Again, you refuse to take any responsibility for the behaviors of your side. You continue to demonstrate that you avoid looking a the entire picture because it might actually challenge you to consider that your side has responsibility.

    I'm focused on one side because one side did start this.
    Hack statement. This goes back far further than Saturday. Your side is just as responsible.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Just heard on Geraldo that Fuller is under a 72 hr watch/evalution in some kind of hospital. something like that. This is good news.
    Excellent. That is precisely where he needs to be.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    I find those that are criticizing this man a bit distasteful. He got shot a few days ago and obviously is very emotional about the whole thing. I hope he gets past this.

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by Illumination View Post
    I find those that are criticizing this man a bit distasteful. He got shot a few days ago and obviously is very emotional about the whole thing. I hope he gets past this.
    He maybe emotional, but it doesn't excuse everything that he did. I mean hell, when my best friend killed himself, I went out got completely trashed and sent texts to my friends that hinted I may do the same. Obviously, I was very upset and did stupid things that once sober people realized I wasn't going to do, but I still had to deal with what I did.

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    He maybe emotional, but it doesn't excuse everything that he did. I mean hell, when my best friend killed himself, I went out got completely trashed and sent texts to my friends that hinted I may do the same. Obviously, I was very upset and did stupid things that once sober people realized I wasn't going to do, but I still had to deal with what I did.
    This is true. Even in his mental state, there is responsibility for his actions. His mental state tells us why he's doing it and how to handle it, but it does not excuse the behavior.
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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yet you only go after silly things that the left says, never the right. You do not see the big picture at all. ALL of these things hurt people. Misinformation makes people believe things that are not true and then act on them.



    Because a lie from the right is EQUAL to a lie from the left. Again, you refuse to take any responsibility for the behaviors of your side. You continue to demonstrate that you avoid looking a the entire picture because it might actually challenge you to consider that your side has responsibility.



    Hack statement. This goes back far further than Saturday. Your side is just as responsible.
    I must have missed your outrage at the sheriff following said sheriff's news briefing the night of the shooting.

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    Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Aunt, if we let every body who has mental issues off the hook, nobody would ever be held accountable for anything.
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    Wait a minute - on second thought - what the hell is your point, here? Are you actually suggesting that we shouldn't try to rehabilitate people who are suffering from mental illnesses and emotional problems? Gee - let's just throw the baby out with the bathwater, then, yeah?

    Fuller is having issues dealing with what happened to him - he needs medical assistance and intervention so he can move on with his life in a *good way* - he's not a thug on a street corner.

    If they had given notice and adequate medical intervention and threw Loughner in the psych-ward because he was a proven a threat to OTHERS then Fuller wouldn't even BE injured and struggling to recover right now.

    So obviously - YES - the importance of helping those who have MENTAL issues is VERY important.

    But an amount of understanding should be extended to Fuller - you don't have to AGREE with him (heavens - I don't) - but people MUST understand that being a victim of a horrible tragedy is VERY hard for the mind to cope with.

    People all to often DON'T care and DON'T give such people the medical help they need - and the individual, their families - or others they know - suffer, often with their own lives.

    Need I go into suicide and family-homicide horror stories from the countless soldiers who are suffering from PTSD and *don't get help for their mental problems?*

    *why* is it that whenever someone is given *medical help* in a psych-ward people ALWAYS toss around the notion that said individual is 'getting off the hook' or 'being coddled'

    Have you been institutionalized? Was it fun or something?

    The system FAILED to protect Fuller and the many others - I think we at least OWE Fuller *that much* help on his path to real recovery.
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