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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Women are perfectly capable of combat as the next guy and new restrictions like gender segregation have the effect of denying them the opportunities they have earned and deserve. There haven't been any well defined front lines since Korea (if then) and anybody in a combat zone had better be prepared for combat. Period.

    See, thi sis someone with no clue spewing political idealogical correctness instead of addressing the real issues.

    Chappy, if you were correct, and you're not, why are the PRT standards between males and females different?
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    People said that about black people too.
    3 pages before a lefty played the race card... a record?
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    3 pages before a lefty played the race card... a record?
    I wasn't playing "the race card" because my point had nothing to do with race. The point is that we said that about black people, but people got over it. People adapt.

    Conservatives are so quick to play the race card card...
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    See, thi sis someone with no clue spewing political idealogical correctness instead of addressing the real issues.

    Chappy, if you were correct, and you're not, why are the PRT standards between males and females different?
    Because they measure overall fitness level and are not tests to determine ability.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Women should not be allowed in combat units. Not because they cant handle it or are not physically able to. Its because there is a primal instinct for a man to protect women. I believe there would be issuse with the men making sound desitions when a woman was in a life and death situation.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

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    Because they measure overall fitness level and are not tests to determine ability.
    Nice Redress. Let's talk reality. The female body, biologically is less capable of carrying heavy loadouts. Are there women out there that can hump a 75lbs rucksack and full combat load with guys? I'm sure there are. How many really, and how many WANT to do that? Again this is a matter of what's good for the service vice what's politically correct. What about pregnancy in the field? Then there is the western culture bit of "protect the womenfolk" that most guys have.
    The average American woman is 5'4", weighs 140 lbs, and wears a size 14 dress.

    The "ideal" woman--portrayed by models, Miss America, Barbie dolls, and screen actresses--is 5'7", weighs 100 lbs, and wears a size 8.
    Average Male Weight

    That shows the Average male is around 185. Males are naturally stronger, testosterone, are able to lift more, carry more and have greater endurance. This is just NATURE.

    While I UNDERSTAND, truly I do that women want to be able to do everything, let's get real for a moment. Is it worth the potential problems that WILL arise, to appease a political sensibilities? I remember how pissed my father and his buddies were that they were letting women fly fighters. It wasn't so much that they wre incapable it was the reason given "For better promotion chances".

    This is a bad idea, and I hope doesn't get adopted for many reasons, the top being the lives our of services members.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Nice Redress. Let's talk reality. The female body, biologically is less capable of carrying heavy loadouts. Are there women out there that can hump a 75lbs rucksack and full combat load with guys? I'm sure there are. How many really, and how many WANT to do that? Again this is a matter of what's good for the service vice what's politically correct. What about pregnancy in the field? Then there is the western culture bit of "protect the womenfolk" that most guys have.


    Average Male Weight

    That shows the Average male is around 185. Males are naturally stronger, testosterone, are able to lift more, carry more and have greater endurance. This is just NATURE.

    While I UNDERSTAND, truly I do that women want to be able to do everything, let's get real for a moment. Is it worth the potential problems that WILL arise, to appease a political sensibilities? I remember how pissed my father and his buddies were that they were letting women fly fighters. It wasn't so much that they wre incapable it was the reason given "For better promotion chances".

    This is a bad idea, and I hope doesn't get adopted for many reasons, the top being the lives our of services members.
    Please read my comments in this thread, including the one you quoted(and what I was responding to), then get back to me with an actual response to what I said, not what you imagined I said. Thank you.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    If a woman wants to play GI Jane that's one thing and it should be up to her to make that decision. However I believe they should always and forever be kept out of the draft except for possibly noncombat rolls, far behind the lines.

    This would free up more male for combat, and we should always remember how most of feel when we hear about woman being tortured and almost always raped when captured.

    But then I have an old fashion view of what traditional rolls are and should be.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    I should not be allowed in an infantry combat unit... because I am no longer able to hump a 100 pounds of gear and ammo across ten miles of mountainous terrain. I'm too old and I have some back problems.

    Nor should anyone else, regardless of their biological plumbing, be allowed in a combat unit if they cannot perform to the SAME standard expected of every other soldier in that unit.

    If they can, fine.

    The problem is that reduced requirements for females is already the rule... and if that is allowed to carry over to combat unit placement, this is going to be a problem.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I should not be allowed in an infantry combat unit... because I am no longer able to hump a 100 pounds of gear and ammo across ten miles of mountainous terrain. I'm too old and I have some back problems.

    Nor should anyone else, regardless of their biological plumbing, be allowed in a combat unit if they cannot perform to the SAME standard expected of every other soldier in that unit.

    If they can, fine.

    The problem is that reduced requirements for females is already the rule... and if that is allowed to carry over to combat unit placement, this is going to be a problem.
    Yep, totally agree. If a person can't live up to the standards that are in place, then tough luck. If they can, then they should be let in. That is true equality.

    And for combat roles, those reduced requirements should go out the window. There is no reduced requirements in combat.
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