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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not at all. i'm going to halt the convoy to A) get my people who are wounded in the downed vic
    I agree 100%.




    and B) kill the guys hiding in the bushes. depending on how i'm feeling. if i am tired i may just capture them so that someone back in the rear can interrogate them etc.

    btw. keeping the convoy together isnt' demolishing it's "security", it's maintaining your security. running away and leaving your rear vic behind is what demolishes your security.



    1. these guys weren't dead
    2. nobody checked to see if they were
    3. if the enemy presents a chance to close with and destroy, close with and destroy. the "oh i don't want to get hurt" mentality will - in the end - hurt more.
    Here's where we part company. The mission, is to get the convoy from point A to point B. The mission isn't to leave the convoy at a standstill, make it an easier target and detaching part of the convoy's security element to go huntin' for sappers.

    Me? In a scenario where my mission was to get the LOGPAC through, I'm going to police up my people, weapons and downed victor--or attempt to destroy the downed victor--and break contact as soon as possible, to continue the mission.

    The problem I see with halting the convoy, so the security element can go chase sappers, is that it leaves the convoy with deminished security, or no security at all and therefore it becomes a target for the other group of bad guys hiding out on the other side of the road, waiting for the security element to run off, chasing Moe, Larry and Curly through the bushes.

    I know I'm just armchair qurterbacking, here, but that ain't what I woulda done. If I had been a convoy commander, I would have told my commander that if he wanted to pursue enemy sappers, then he needed to attach an inorganic assault element to my convoy, just for that purpose, that he wasn't going to breakdown my organic security, just to score a couple fo kills, or he could order an airstrike on the area where the ambush took place.

    I was very close to re-enlisting in '04. Looking back on it, it's a good thing I didn't, because I would have stayed in trouble, because of the--IMO--crappy tactics that were being used. Just like doing mounted patrols in Bradleys. That goes totally against the doctrine I was taught in the Army.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I think this guy would've probably made the same decision had they been US troops. there was no way of knowing if the two guys in the truck even survived the initial explosion. not going to risk 8 lives to recover 2 bodies. I'd rather write the letter to the parents of the 2 guys in the truck than write letters to the parents of the two in the truck plus the two or three killed/maimed trying to get to them. the guy I know took two rounds to his body armor while still 50 meters away.

    It's all MET-T, bro. You gotta look at the big picture.

    It's hard enough to order some kid to go into a situation where he's more than likely to get zapped, much less doing so just to rescue a couple of dead bodies.

    War is hell.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because, that's just the way things are. That's how our society works and no amount of social engineering in the military is going to change that.
    That's hog wash. Either you mature enough, or you're a child. If you can't handle sexuality, you can't handle life and death. It isn't socail engineering. It's expecting adults to behave like adults. I'm concerned that too many make excuses for childish and immature behavior.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's hog wash. Either you mature enough, or you're a child. If you can't handle sexuality, you can't handle life and death. It isn't socail engineering. It's expecting adults to behave like adults. I'm concerned that too many make excuses for childish and immature behavior.
    Did you really serve in the Army?
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did you really serve in the Army?
    Yes I did. And I would have had no problem then. Most of the people I served with were adults. I would never insult them by suggesting we treat thim like children.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The part that you're missing, is that this standard already exists, because of the policies currently in place. It's not going away and as Oscar pointed out, the existance of such policies in combat arms units will cause resentment within the ranks and thereby damage unit cohesion.
    Those policies don't exist because of people like me. They exist because of people like you and Oscar, who don't want your daughter sharing a tent with a sweaty corporal.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did you really serve in the Army?
    Did YOU? And if so, how does dishing chow in the mess hall prepare you to comment on combat conditions?

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Those policies don't exist because of people like me. They exist because of people like you and Oscar, who don't want your daughter sharing a tent with a sweaty corporal.
    Actually, they exist because of candy ass females who want to be treated special and because of politicians who want females to be treated special and politicians who don't want to look they deprived female soldiers of their femanazi rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, they exist because of candy ass females who want to be treated special and because of politicians who want females to be treated special and politicians who don't want to look they deprived female soldiers of their femanazi rights.
    Wow. I would be interested in any support for either of you. Lets ty to be factual if possible.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Did YOU? And if so, how does dishing chow in the mess hall prepare you to comment on combat conditions?

    It doesn't; not like any of the actual vets on here said that; one of which, you're not.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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