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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

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    There's also the hygene issue, what with women having bleeding cracks every month. In the U.S. Army, regulations state that a female soldier must be given access to a hot shower, during her cycle. As Oscar pointed out earlier, the chicks getting hot showers and the dudes having to wash their balls in a cold bucket of water is going to breed resentment and damage morale and unit cohesion.
    another point; i've been lots of places where for weeks on end... there just was no "hot water"; unless you happened to leave it out in the sun and it happened to be summer. showers (along with real food, internet, etc) were things that happened to you when you went back to the rear.

    Then, there's the privacy issue. A female might refuse her hot shower and prefer to wash her cooter in a bucket, just like the guys, but she's going to want her privacy. And, God forbid someone accidentally see her washing her pussy; then she's going to be screaming sexual harrassment.
    bingo. prepare for a large number of 'harrasment' cases followed by a large number of '**** we got caught and i don't want to get in trouble so it's RAPE' cases.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

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    Those are all valid objections, but I don't think they are insurmountable obstacles.



    Thing is, I believe those are problems specific to having any women in the military at all, as opposed to a minority serving in combat roles.
    The part you're missing, is that combat arms units, especially armor and infantry, are designed to spend weeks at a time away from any kind of amenities.

    Example: During Desert Storm, we had to ration water, because our LOGPAC (resupply convoy) kept getting lost, couldn't keep up with us and on a couple of occasions got hammered by an Iraqi arty battery that the zoomies weren't able to locate. Water rationing meant that there was no water available for personal hygene. What happens in that situation when a woman has to wash her cooter and can't? How long before the company commander is calling a dustoff, to chopper her and her sick pussy back to the brigade hospital? How long is she going to be seperated from the unit? There aren't any temporary replacements, so her platoon is going to be a soldier short and someone is going to have to carry her load, while she's gone.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

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    another point; i've been lots of places where for weeks on end... there just was no "hot water"; unless you happened to leave it out in the sun and it happened to be summer. showers (along with real food, internet, etc) were things that happened to you when you went back to the rear.
    and in some instances there is NO water for showers. I went 53 days during desert storm without a shower. we just didn't have the water, had to save it to drink.



    bingo. prepare for a large number of 'harrasment' cases followed by a large number of '**** we got caught and i don't want to get in trouble so it's RAPE' cases.
    I was investigating officer on such a case. guy and (married) girl had been going at it for weeks. one night they happen to get caught by 1SG and she cries rape. fortunately, somewhat, for him he had been recording their sessions. when faced with video evidence of her willingness she then wanted us to charge him for recording her without her consent.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I was investigating officer on such a case. guy and (married) girl had been going at it for weeks. one night they happen to get caught by 1SG and she cries rape. fortunately, somewhat, for him he had been recording their sessions. when faced with video evidence of her willingness she then wanted us to charge him for recording her without her consent.
    When I was in C 3/41 INF, a platoon leader in B 3/41 got caught, in a hummvee, on post, while his unit was in the field, plowing the 18 y/o daughter of an officer in another battalion. She started screaming rape and unfortunately, he wasn't recording anything and they smoked his ass. Poor bastard didn't even get burned for misuse of a government vehicle, or being AWOL from his unit, or any of the other half dozen offenses he was guilty of. He got charged with rape, period.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Marines, because sailors aren't allowed to have sheep aboard ship.
    Ok, ya'll don't get me started on the Marine Corps jokes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Marines, because sailors aren't allowed to have sheep aboard ship.
    Number of Marines Captured in Iraq and Afghanistan Combined: zero (though we had one go native).

    Number of Army Personnel Captured.... still rising.

    again, come on down to the thread in the warfare forum.

    i remember one time we were out combing for three Army guys who had gotten snatched, when over the radio (platoon net) we started up trying to figure out how they'd gotten captured in the first place. I was the CLIC, so I explained that they had been in a convoy that got hit by an IED, and the rest of the convoy had sped up, driven off, and not come back for the downed vic for almost half an hour. Platoon Sgt was furious, wanted to know if the Convoy Commander was going to get court-martialed, etc. I had to explain that it turned out that that was actually the units SOP for dealing with an IED attack... long pause, and then a (unidentified) long-suffering voice came over the net; "Well, if they're going to be retarted, I say **** em". you kinda had to be there, and looking back it was pretty ****ty of us considering those guys were for all we knew being tortured at that moment, but we laughed until we cried.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because combat, at any level, reduces a unit's combat power. The higher the intensity of the combat situation, the better a unit has to be to withstand the loss of more combat power. A three day battle that costs a unit 25% casualties will tell you more about the ability of that unit than a 30 minute firefight, where there are only a few WIA's.
    Fair enough, but I can tell you that female soldiers have indeed seen combat in the 2006 war in Lebanon and the 2009 one in Gaza. The former lasted 34 days and the latter three weeks.

    Ass the IDF discovered in '48, the propensity of male soldiers to fall out of the attack to aid a wounded female, even if she wass beyond help, moreso than they would for a wounded male, which weakened the assault effort.
    The "discovery" in '48 was rejected in '95 if I'm not wrong, and from there onwards female involvement in combat roles has been increasing drastically from year to year. Otherwise females would not have been allowed to serve in front-line combat units these days, right?

    There are housing issues. Infantry units exhibit high levels of unit cohesion--higher than that of support arms units. One of the primary reasons for that, is that they all live together. There's a level of comaradeie that can only be achieved by soldiers living together. Personality conflicts are more readily resolved, because there's no going home at 5:00 and forgetting about the bad day at the office.
    I happen to know that, but I do not see where the different gender problem kicks in.

    There's also the hygene issue, what with women having bleeding cracks every month. In the U.S. Army, regulations state that a female soldier must be given access to a hot shower, during her cycle. As Oscar pointed out earlier, the chicks getting hot showers and the dudes having to wash their balls in a cold bucket of water is going to breed resentment and damage morale and unit cohesion.
    I believe they are using the same water for the entire unit. If the water is hot for one soldier it is also hot for another.
    Edit: My mistake, I see you are claiming that the male soldiers would have to wash themselves with buckets, but if there is a shower I don't understand the reason.

    Then, there's the privacy issue. A female might refuse her hot shower and prefer to wash her cooter in a bucket, just like the guys, but she's going to want her privacy. And, God forbid someone accidentally see her washing her pussy; then she's going to be screaming sexual harrassment.
    Shower time rotations, we also have it non-combat units, no problem there.

    We're talking about troops on a battlefield; there's no time for all that crap.
    If there's time for them to shower then there's time for 'that crap'.
    In the case of war you usually don't get to shower at all when you're deep within the field.
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