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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    as a deployed E3 I told the Iraqi's what to do all the time. Civilian, Police, and Army.
    Marines have a tad more training than US Army, lol.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Depends on what you define as enough evidence, or evidence at all. I don't see a problem with the Caracal battalion, which exists now for 11 years.
    You basically argue against the existence of such battalion, am I somehow incorrect and misleading on your argument's purpose?
    My point, is that the Caracal Battalion hasn't seen enough combat to confirm coed infantry units an abolute success. When I say they haven't, "seen enough combat", I mean that the Caracals didn't serve in the Yom Kippur War, nor the 6-Day War, nor were they in Lebanon in the 80's.

    Correct but they train far harder on combat and survival skills than your regular front line unit fighter.
    Annnnnd, for the fourth time in this thread: It's not about ability.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    If soldiers are too immature to cope with sexuality, then why are we assigning them authority over the lives of innocent bystanders?
    it's not necessarily that they are too immature at all things; it's just that 19-21 year olds tend to be inordinately controlled by their sex organs. Discipline on patrol in a combat zone is very different (easier, in many ways) than discipline relaxing on the FOB. that same aggression and hyper-testosterone that makes one a good combat soldier / Marine also makes one more likely to not give a **** about what the rules say about whether or not you can have sex with the cute (and after a few months, they're all attractive) LCpl from dispersing. In addition, the tendency of stressful situations to throw the sex drive into overdrive is well documented.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Marines have a tad more training than US Army, lol.
    That's because it takes them longer to learn the material.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You can play the "what if" game all day. It does not change the reality's of military life and the rigors of combat, period. It makes women in combat less than desirable.
    How am I playing "what if?"

    Certain women have the physical capability to be front-line soldiers. That's true. Put them through a meritocratic process of selection.

    Then there is the theory that somehow the men majority will not be able to reconcile themselves to the presence of a women minority, which is at least as theoretical as the idea that they will respond favorably. Both are "what-if's."
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Marines have a tad more training than US Army, lol.
    and we tend to push decision-making further down the chain. but the point about age and authority remains.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's because it takes them longer to learn the material.
    feel free to wonder on over to the military threads where we had this debate out; soldier. Though to be fair, there was one of me and three or four army bubba's; so admittedly they were outnumbered

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    How is that a "what if?"
    Because, you're assuming that it's one way, or the other and there's nothing in between.

    Do privates have to make the call to take someone's life on the battlefield, without referring to their squad leader, or fireteam leader? Of course. At the same time, it's the job of the team leader, the squad leader, the platoon seargent and the platoon leader to have enough command and control over that platoon, so that when that E-1 has to make that decision, he already has enough situational awareness, that he can more easily make the right decision.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    My point, is that the Caracal Battalion hasn't seen enough combat to confirm coed infantry units an abolute success. When I say they haven't, "seen enough combat", I mean that the Caracals didn't serve in the Yom Kippur War, nor the 6-Day War, nor were they in Lebanon in the 80's.
    How does that matter exactly? How does the background of the combat they've seen matters as long as they've seen combat?
    Whether you are exchanging fire with hostiles during an all out war or are assaulted by militants during a sole incident you are still involved in combat and have thus 'seen combat'.

    Annnnnd, for the fourth time in this thread: It's not about ability.
    Forgive me for not reading all of your comments in this thread, what is it about then if not the ability of females to serve in roles that require the skills of combat and survivability?
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Marines have a tad more training than US Army, lol.
    lol, that's just what they want you to believe.
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