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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That runs counter to my understanding. I'll need some links.

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    I can't find any info on the Israel Defense Forces banning women from combat units in recent decades; most articles maintain increasing integration.
    The IDF banned women from serving in combat arms units in 1948. It's common knowledge.

    Despite a 1995 Israeli court ruling that struck down the "men-only" rule for combat units, women have not served in combat since 1948, and integration into combat-support platoons has been slow. According to IDF statistics, 84 percent of female soldiers still serve in administrative roles with only 1 percent training for combat roles, and 82 percent of female soldiers have had no weapons training.

    Israeli women won't see combat
    So far only 1% of the female soldiers serving in the IDF are serving in, "combat roles". A, "combat role", doesn't necessarily imply that they are serving in combat arms units.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That runs counter to my understanding. I'll need some links.

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    I can't find any info on the Israel Defense Forces banning women from combat units in recent decades; most articles maintain increasing integration.
    The IDF banned women from serving in combat arms units in 1948. It's common knowledge.

    Despite a 1995 Israeli court ruling that struck down the "men-only" rule for combat units, women have not served in combat since 1948, and integration into combat-support platoons has been slow. According to IDF statistics, 84 percent of female soldiers still serve in administrative roles with only 1 percent training for combat roles, and 82 percent of female soldiers have had no weapons training.

    Israeli women won't see combat
    So far only 1% of the female soldiers serving in the IDF are serving in, "combat roles". A, "combat role", doesn't necessarily imply that they are serving in combat arms units.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    For the life of me, I can't figure out why American women would even want to serve on the front lines. For every soldier on the front lines, there are probably (guessing) 100 supporting him. Why would a woman be so eager to change the laws so she could get herself killed? I just don't get it.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The IDF banned women from serving in combat arms units in 1948. It's common knowledge.



    So far only 1% of the female soldiers serving in the IDF are serving in, "combat roles". A, "combat role", doesn't necessarily imply that they are serving in combat arms units.
    There is the Caracal Battalion:
    Caracal Battalion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And there are very few females who serve in used-to-be male only combat units in Golani, Nahal, Kfir, Magav, Givati etc as fighters. I personally know such person even though they make a very small minority amongst female recruits. There are also some female jet pilots, a role that requires advanced combat skills.

    Besides that, a lot of females such as my sister serve in roles that are labeled as "combat supporters" and are trained for non-front-line combat purposes, and there are also female soldiers that serve in roles where, while they are not intended to be used for combat purposes, they are trained for such since they are stationed in places that might put them in the situation of combat.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There is the Caracal Battalion:
    Caracal Battalion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And there are very few females who serve in used-to-be male only combat units in Golani, Nahal, Kfir, Magav, Givati etc as fighters. I personally know such person even though they make a very small minority amongst female recruits. There are also some female jet pilots, a role that requires advanced combat skills.

    Besides that, a lot of females such as my sister serve in roles that are labeled as "combat supporters" and are trained for non-front-line combat purposes, and there are also female soldiers that serve in roles where, while they are not intended to be used for combat purposes, they are trained for such since they are stationed in places that might put them in the situation of combat.
    That's roughly to my standard for the United States military.

    So far only 1% of the female soldiers serving in the IDF are serving in, "combat roles". A, "combat role", doesn't necessarily imply that they are serving in combat arms units.
    But such statistics understate the actual numbers of women who fight.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There is the Caracal Battalion:
    Caracal Battalion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And there are very few females who serve in used-to-be male only combat units in Golani, Nahal, Kfir, Magav, Givati etc as fighters. I personally know such person even though they make a very small minority amongst female recruits.
    Which kinda illustrates my point, which is that, there isn't enough evidence to support the notion that co-ed infantry units are successful.

    Besides that, a lot of females such as my sister serve in roles that are labeled as "combat supporters" and are trained for non-front-line combat purposes, and there are also female soldiers that serve in roles where, while they are not intended to be used for combat purposes, they are trained for such since they are stationed in places that might put them in the situation of combat.
    That's the same as the United States military.

    There are also some female jet pilots, a role that requires advanced combat skills.
    Fighter pilots don't live in the field, together in the way that combat arms units do.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    I think women should serve in any role but infantry, armor and artillery. The majority of women can't hold up to the physical rigors of allot of the jobs like loaders etc. The women who could are far and few between. I do not think it is worth the investment in time or money to make it happen, and the number they would need for separate units are just not there.

    Edit: The only way I can see them getting any kind of numbers for separate units means lowering the physical requirements. This would make them weaker overall compared to male or all male units. So again why would we want less capable infantry units etc?
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    For the life of me, I can't figure out why American women would even want to serve on the front lines. For every soldier on the front lines, there are probably (guessing) 100 supporting him. Why would a woman be so eager to change the laws so she could get herself killed? I just don't get it.
    Same reason some males want to serve there I suppose.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We're talking about teenagers, so the asnwer would be, yes. Not only are we talking about male soldiers, we're talking about female soldiers who will exhibit the same immaturity.
    exactly. the non-combat units have enough trouble dealing with the fact that their soldiers and Marines are constantly ****ing each other; with all of the jealousies, distractions, factionalism, and drama that comes with it. no need to put that kind of trouble on the guys whom it might actually kill.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    exactly. the non-combat units have enough trouble dealing with the fact that their soldiers and Marines are constantly ****ing each other; with all of the jealousies, distractions, factionalism, and drama that comes with it. no need to put that kind of trouble on the guys whom it might actually kill.
    If soldiers are too immature to cope with sexuality, then why are we assigning them authority over the lives of innocent bystanders?
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