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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And what about hte few women who ARE on par with the standards for men in the service? It's a small handful - not many - and I only support they be given all roles that men are granted.

    Yet oddly - many people squak at that
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    What about the few women who are on par? Too bad for the few women.

    How long will they be "on par" with men? For that moment they trained like hell? Vincent makes the case beyond physical qualifications in post #158.

    Then there is the fear standards will be lowered, or women will be brought in to make a statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Nobody is suggesting letting the average woman at an average fitness level enter into combat.
    It was used to make a point how physically weak women are. There might be the one in ten million who is strong enough, has the stamina... for a while, and actually wants to fight. Too bad for her.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's been a few pages - I'll recap my view:

    I believe that everyone has a place in the military - their supreme physical abilities don't always matter. There's a position for everyone to fill. Someone needs to stock the magazines, someone needs to do some helicopter maintenance and so on.

    When it comes to front line combat units - the ones that are in serious question - I feel that only women who are *actually physically equal (in ability) to most men should be even considered.*

    How many is that? Maybe 500 total. They are the unique physical exception - not the standard. If they prove equally capable of carrying their comrade and handling the stresses then by all means - I think they've earned it.

    Since it's such a tiny number of women overall who meet my opinion of what should be standard then there's really no debate to be had on it - most units won't have females. And these females being the unique creatures they are, would be able to hold their ground and handle it just like the guys do.

    Overall- I feel that anyone who lets issues like "she's a woman" or "he's a fag" INTERFERE with their ability to focus or do their job- perhaps then that means they aren't CAPABLE of doing there job.
    If someone can't do what they're trained to do then do you trust them to handle other things?

    Either step up and get things done - and done right - or end up dead. Whatever floats an idiots boat.

    My view is really quite simple.
    Do you also advocate allowing women into the NFL? What about for getting rid of mens/womens catagories in the olympics and letting everyone compete against each other without regard to sex at all?

    For some reason I always see the "women in combat units" arguments but I never see these arguments. Is there a difference?

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

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    Do you also advocate allowing women into the NFL? What about for getting rid of mens/womens catagories in the olympics and letting everyone compete against each other without regard to sex at all?

    For some reason I always see the "women in combat units" arguments but I never see these arguments. Is there a difference?
    Yeah sure - why not.
    Is it that big of a deal to base things on ability and not gender?

    Be bothered all you want - but some women are on par with men.

    A lot of men are on par with the average women - and they're excluded from the service and they don't have a period, don't have cramps - don't risk the likelihood of getting pregnant.

    They also aren't in the NFL - and on and on.

    If everything was completely based on gender then all men would be in - but it's not - it's based on ability - and so-so on gender.

    Now - where does the equalty cry go wrong? Let's look at sports: colleges are REQUIRED by law to have an equal number of men and an equal number of women enrolled in athletic programs. That means that many men who could swim well aren't permitted on the team because less women are interested in being on the swim team- period.

    That's not fair, either.

    If someone can hack it - they should be permitted to do it. (though I've strayed from the topic a bit) the idea the we should be equally balanced head-count wise is just as skewed as barring someone from service because of what they *might* have to deal with due to their gender.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah sure - why not.
    Is it that big of a deal to base things on ability and not gender?

    Be bothered all you want - but some women are on par with men.

    A lot of men are on par with the average women - and they're excluded from the service and they don't have a period, don't have cramps - don't risk the likelihood of getting pregnant.
    I'm not bothered at all, I've only said that they should be held to the same standard. Problem is, they probably won't.

    I do find it strange, however, that I don't see special interests out there singling the NFL etc like they always do the military.

    They also aren't in the NFL - and on and on.

    If everything was completely based on gender then all men would be in - but it's not - it's based on ability - and so-so on gender.
    Not sure what you mean here...

    Now - where does the equalty cry go wrong? Let's look at sports: colleges are REQUIRED by law to have an equal number of men and an equal number of women enrolled in athletic programs. That means that many men who could swim well aren't permitted on the team because less women are interested in being on the swim team- period.

    That's not fair, either.

    If someone can hack it - they should be permitted to do it. (though I've strayed from the topic a bit) the idea the we should be equally balanced head-count wise is just as skewed as barring someone from service because of what they *might* have to deal with due to their gender.
    For the most part I agree with you, but you are focusing only on the physical requirements for life as part of an infantry unit. There are many other factors that apply. If a woman can physically perform the required role, she should not be barred because of physical inability. Physiologically, however, women have unique traits that make them less suited to life in a typical line infantry outfit.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    My question is this: Would you ever suggest that we create an army division of all women with all support for that division by women and think it reasonable for them to carry out a large scale military operation without the help of any men? I am not saying that there is not the odd woman who is stronger and more able than the average man but you don't want to set up the military whereby it is compelled to use women because they meet some minimal qualifications for combat. Just like every other idea like this it becomes an unwritten mandate or quota system to get a certain number of women on the front lines. It's not a good idea in my opinion.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    My question is this: Would you ever suggest that we create an army division of all women with all support for that division by women and think it reasonable for them to carry out a large scale military operation without the help of any men? I am not saying that there is not the odd woman who is stronger and more able than the average man but you don't want to set up the military whereby it is compelled to use women because they meet some minimal qualifications for combat. Just like every other idea like this it becomes an unwritten mandate or quota system to get a certain number of women on the front lines. It's not a good idea in my opinion.
    They would not have to be stronger than men. They would only have to be strong enough to do the job, which more than a few women are. Those women are exceptional, but so are every person in our military.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If women can pass the same requirements as men, and go through the same training as if they were men, I would see no problem with allowing them to enter combat units.
    in segregated units, as Tashah proposes, perhaps. however, you have the problem that the military does not hold women to the same requirements as men at current (that would be 'sexist', apparently).

    but just modifying it so that women go into current infantry formations? verrrrrrrry bad idea.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If someone can hack it - they should be permitted to do it. (though I've strayed from the topic a bit) the idea the we should be equally balanced head-count wise is just as skewed as barring someone from service because of what they *might* have to deal with due to their gender.
    here i have to disagree; the military isn't a solo sport. whether or not someone can 'hack it' is a far second-rate consideration next to whether or not they will help the team.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    combat theaters are typically nasty, dirty, spartan kind of places. usually without running water, etc. If women were/are willing to give up some of the "perks" they get because they are female, I have no problem with them being there.

    but when I have to go a week without a shower because there are only two shower tents and 200 guys have to share one and 5 females get the other to themselves., or I have to cram into an 8 man tent with 15 other guys so that the 5 females can have a tent to themselves... that just ain't right.

    other than that, if a female can physically and mentally hack the rigors of combat, I have no problem with them being there.

    so that is my only problem with women in combat. because there are so few that could actually handle it physically it requires the males to sacrifice even more on the basic niceties, due to the army's stance on segregating males and females.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Didnt read all these pages but this is how I feel.

    If women can pass all the standard requirements then they should be allowed to fight if they want too.

    I do NOT think and standards should CHANGE to make it easier though.
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