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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    A few days ago I happened to meet a military forensic psychiatrist who has been to Afghanistan and Iraq. He says that combat unties have a proportionally large number of psychopaths who are in the military to kill human beings. Some of those men will also rape and kill women without hesitation. In fact some of these psychos that the Dr. was dealing with had killed women and children for fun. In combat it’s easy to kill innocent people who are in the line of fire and some of the psychos killed themselves later so that they wouldn’t have to go home. The Dr. looked at a lot of suicides and said that some were for good reasons.

    Combat psychopaths are a danger to the weakest in their unit and I don’t want our young women out there with them.
    So your solution is to keep the psychopaths, but not allow women?

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Didn't the Israelis try having women in front line combat, but decided it was too damaging to morale for men to see female soldiers being killed or injured?

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    I'm not saying soldiers never fight hand to hand, but it is becoming increasingly rare. People certainly never fight in full metal body armor with war hammers like you were talking about :-P
    That was a historical note.


    I may be lacking information about the subject though. Do you have a link you could give me about Americans engaging in hand to hand combat in Iraq?
    I'm talking about what current service soldiers have told me in person. There is, obviously, no link to that.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Didn't the Israelis try having women in front line combat, but decided it was too damaging to morale for men to see female soldiers being killed or injured?
    If someone can't focus on their job (the men you're referring to) then perhaps they should be out of the service?
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Are you ****ing kidding me?

    Reality check, women cannot, as a general rule, physically handle the rigors of combat. This is why female PRT and male PRT are DIFFERENT. How's the platoon going to handle one or more members unable to carry the normal full load out of equipment into the field? Start there, work your way through the rest of the reasons women aren't in combat roles.

    This isn't just dumb, it's politically motivated politically correct stupidity that's gonna get people killed in the name of "fairness".
    This will get more soldiers killed.

    The physical strength of an average 21-year old female is that of a 65-year old man.

    What's next? Women in the SEALS?

    The only way I would let this idiocy happen is if it was an all female platoon. Anyone with a half brain would realize they would be increasing the likelihood of death significantly. It's be the military version of The Darwin Awards... removing idiocy from the gene pool.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This will get more soldiers killed.

    The physical strength of an average 21-year old female is that of a 65-year old man.

    What's next? Women in the SEALS?

    The only way I would let this idiocy happen is if it was an all female platoon. Anyone with a half brain would realize they would be increasing the liklihood of death significantly. It's be the military's version of The Darwin Awards... removing idiocy from the gene pool.

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    And what about hte few women who ARE on par with the standards for men in the service? It's a small handful - not many - and I only support they be given all roles that men are granted.

    Yet oddly - many people squak at that
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This will get more soldiers killed.

    The physical strength of an average 21-year old female is that of a 65-year old man.

    What's next? Women in the SEALS?

    The only way I would let this idiocy happen is if it was an all female platoon. Anyone with a half brain would realize they would be increasing the likelihood of death significantly. It's be the military version of The Darwin Awards... removing idiocy from the gene pool.

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    Nobody is suggesting letting the average woman at an average fitness level enter into combat.

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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If someone can't focus on their job (the men you're referring to) then perhaps they should be out of the service?
    I hate to be rude to someone who's being polite, but if one sex has to be snubbed in front line combat forces, doesn't logic dictate that it should be women and not men? Mainly for two simple reasons: Men are highly superior to women for combat operations, due to having much higher strength and endurance levels. It's like Aphrodite in the Greek mythology. She's nearly the most powerful of the gods because of her powers over love and lust thanks to her beauty, but she cannot fight like Zeus or Ares. And second, why send women into combat unless the very survival of the nation is at stake? In American values, it's pretty much accepted that women should be protected as much as possible.

    That, and it's not the man's fault that morale is damaged by seeing women being killed or injured. It's a base psychological reaction that we get from our society's values, not a choice. And not just the USA's values, either! The Israelis have the same values. The men of the IDF itself, one of the toughest armies around, suffered morale damage by seeing female soldiers hurt or killed.

    Lastly, yes, it is the soldier's job to focus on his job, but it's also the job of the government, and of the military high command to keep morale as high as they can! It may be a snub to women not to get to be special forces commandos and all that, but life isn't fair. You don't mess with something as vital as the military and national defense because of fairness.

    I know someone will say "if women can meet the standards, they should be allowed to be in combat..." yeah, I guess so. But that will be few, I guarantee you. As smart and beautiful as women are, they aren't as strong as men. They physically can't handle the levels of abuse that men can.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    I hate to be rude to someone who's being polite, but if one sex has to be snubbed in front line combat forces, doesn't logic dictate that it should be women and not men? Mainly for two simple reasons: Men are highly superior to women for combat operations, due to having much higher strength and endurance levels. It's like Aphrodite in the Greek mythology. She's nearly the most powerful of the gods because of her powers over love and lust thanks to her beauty, but she cannot fight like Zeus or Ares. And second, why send women into combat unless the very survival of the nation is at stake? In American values, it's pretty much accepted that women should be protected as much as possible.

    That, and it's not the man's fault that morale is damaged by seeing women being killed or injured. It's a base psychological reaction that we get from our society's values, not a choice. And not just the USA's values, either! The Israelis have the same values. The men of the IDF itself, one of the toughest armies around, suffered morale damage by seeing female soldiers hurt or killed.

    Lastly, yes, it is the soldier's job to focus on his job, but it's also the job of the government, and of the military high command to keep morale as high as they can! It may be a snub to women not to get to be special forces commandos and all that, but life isn't fair. You don't mess with something as vital as the military and national defense because of fairness.

    I know someone will say "if women can meet the standards, they should be allowed to be in combat..." yeah, I guess so. But that will be few, I guarantee you. As smart and beautiful as women are, they aren't as strong as men. They physically can't handle the levels of abuse that men can.
    It's been a few pages - I'll recap my view:

    I believe that everyone has a place in the military - their supreme physical abilities don't always matter. There's a position for everyone to fill. Someone needs to stock the magazines, someone needs to do some helicopter maintenance and so on.

    When it comes to front line combat units - the ones that are in serious question - I feel that only women who are *actually physically equal (in ability) to most men should be even considered.*

    How many is that? Maybe 500 total. They are the unique physical exception - not the standard. If they prove equally capable of carrying their comrade and handling the stresses then by all means - I think they've earned it.

    Since it's such a tiny number of women overall who meet my opinion of what should be standard then there's really no debate to be had on it - most units won't have females. And these females being the unique creatures they are, would be able to hold their ground and handle it just like the guys do.

    Overall- I feel that anyone who lets issues like "she's a woman" or "he's a fag" INTERFERE with their ability to focus or do their job- perhaps then that means they aren't CAPABLE of doing there job.
    If someone can't do what they're trained to do then do you trust them to handle other things?

    Either step up and get things done - and done right - or end up dead. Whatever floats an idiots boat.

    My view is really quite simple.
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    Re: Women Should Be Allowed in Combat Units, Report Says

    Thank you for putting my exact views so clearly into words Aunt Spiker. I completely agree with everything you just said.

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