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    Re: Russia nears arms pact approval, warns on pullout

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    That didn't take long.
    None of our existing missile defenses are "outlawed" by the treaty, which is what that discussion was about. We don't have to dismantle one single piece of our missile defense system. I even stated my reason for supporting the treaty in one of the posts you quoted.

    So, what do you think you've proven about my reasons for supporting the treaty, exactly?
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    Re: Russia nears arms pact approval, warns on pullout

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Funny how the critters scatter when the lights come on isn’t it?

    I’m going to bed.
    Gee, I wonder why Deuce stopped replying...
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    Re: Russia nears arms pact approval, warns on pullout

    The amendments stipulate that Russia could withdraw if military deployments or even plans by the United States or NATO jeopardize its security.
    They highlight lingering rifts over U.S. plans for a European anti-missile shield and Russian concerns over other weapons it fears the United States or NATO could deploy.
    I find this entirely fine, seeing as how there is no need for a US missile defense shield in Europe, seeing as how the Cold War ended 20 years ago. Russia has a right to be worried about the US missile defense system, which is aimed at Russia, look here.
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    Re: Russia nears arms pact approval, warns on pullout

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    None of our existing missile defenses are "outlawed" by the treaty, which is what that discussion was about. We don't have to dismantle one single piece of our missile defense system. I even stated my reason for supporting the treaty in one of the posts you quoted.

    So, what do you think you've proven about my reasons for supporting the treaty, exactly?
    I really wasn’t as interested in “proving [your] reasons” for supporting the treaty as much as I was in understanding whether or not you agreed with Obama when he told the American People that the treaty wouldn’t limit missile defense.


    There were attempts in the Senate to strike all or parts of paragraph 9 of the preamble but they were defeated by a simple majority of Democrats. Prior to ratification in the Senate, Obama assured the American people, and the Senate, that there were no constraints on testing, development or deployment of US missile defense programs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Both sides agree that existing defensive weapons to not undermine the offensive capabilities of existing stockpiles. Ergo, the treaty does not outlaw missile defense systems.


    Unfortunately, the comments by the chairman of the Russian Duma make clear that you were both wrong. I’m not questioning your motives. Our President told us it wouldn’t be an issue and you believed him. I understand and respect that.


    I’m more interested in whether you think the President was tricked by the Russians or whether he knew that missile defense was constrained by this treaty and chose to lie to us about it.
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    Re: Russia nears arms pact approval, warns on pullout

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I find this entirely fine, seeing as how there is no need for a US missile defense shield in Europe, seeing as how the Cold War ended 20 years ago. Russia has a right to be worried about the US missile defense system, which is aimed at Russia, look here.
    Are you Russian or American?

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    Re: Russia nears arms pact approval, warns on pullout

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I really wasn’t as interested in “proving [your] reasons” for supporting the treaty as much as I was in understanding whether or not you agreed with Obama when he told the American People that the treaty wouldn’t limit missile defense.


    There were attempts in the Senate to strike all or parts of paragraph 9 of the preamble but they were defeated by a simple majority of Democrats. Prior to ratification in the Senate, Obama assured the American people, and the Senate, that there were no constraints on testing, development or deployment of US missile defense programs.






    Unfortunately, the comments by the chairman of the Russian Duma make clear that you were both wrong. I’m not questioning your motives. Our President told us it wouldn’t be an issue and you believed him. I understand and respect that.


    I’m more interested in whether you think the President was tricked by the Russians or whether he knew that missile defense was constrained by this treaty and chose to lie to us about it.
    And other comments made by other people make it clear that I was right. I made up my own damn mind about the treaty, unlike the folks who went with DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT = BAD TREATY
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    Re: Russia nears arms pact approval, warns on pullout

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And other comments made by other people make it clear that I was right. I made up my own damn mind about the treaty, unlike the folks who went with DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT = BAD TREATY
    I respect the fact that you aren’t too partisan to think outside the pre-defined box political parties try to keep us in but I’m more interested, at this time, in whether you think Obama lied to us or whether you think the Russians duped him.


    If you want to make a distinction between your reasons for supporting this treaty and his reasons for supporting it, I’m all ears.

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    Re: Russia nears arms pact approval, warns on pullout

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I respect the fact that you aren’t too partisan to think outside the pre-defined box political parties try to keep us in but I’m more interested, at this time, in whether you think Obama lied to us or whether you think the Russians duped him.
    I think it's all posturing and this will in no way limit our efforts to defend outselves from the likes of North Korea and Iran, and that defending ourselves against Russia's arsenal is a pipe dream in the first place, not to mention nearly suicidal to even attempt.


    If you want to make a distinction between your reasons for supporting this treaty and his reasons for supporting it, I’m all ears.
    Less nukes makes us safer. End of story. That's why I support the treaty.
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    Re: Russia nears arms pact approval, warns on pullout

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Are you Russian or American?
    I am an American. Born and raised in New Jersey.
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