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    A federal judge in Washington has ruled the Department of Homeland Security can keep from public view 2,000 "whole-body" images taken to test the machines used to screen travelers at airport checkpoints.

    The decision is a setback for the Electronic Privacy Information Center, which had sued the government for release of material to determine how the technology would impact privacy and civil liberty concerns.

    But Judge Ricardo Urbina, in a 15-page opinion issued Wednesday, said the Homeland Security Department has no obligation under the Freedom of Information Act to disclose the images or related training materials.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    This is openness and transparency.

    What they want you to know is how clear the images really are I have read that you can see individual drops of sweat as well as the lines of a Bikini wax job. If you get my drift.

    I would not be surprised that at some point a TSA worker doesn't try to find a way to make a buck from images of someone like say Sarah Palin. The money that would be paid for such a score has got to be really up there.

    Note the lack of detail in the TSA released image. It was done to cover the truth I believe. According to this picture everyone has the genitals of Barbi or Ken.

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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

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    Now isn't this what is called "irony"? Here people are bi***inng and complaining about privacy violations and then when the TSA doesn't release photoes of peple naked you bi*** and complain about it. Talk about a double standard.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    There is the problem, without them being released - even if JUST to an independent group, with specific instructions, how do we know the TSA is telling the truth about the images - I mean aside from the blatant lies they already told about the device's ability to store/transmit images?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    There is the problem, without them being released - even if JUST to an independent group, with specific instructions, how do we know the TSA is telling the truth about the images - I mean aside from the blatant lies they already told about the device's ability to store/transmit images?
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Good God who cares if they have images of you under your clothes? If something as stupid as that excites someone they can have at it. I am of the believe that there are two types of genital equipment and once you've see one you've seen them all. Big deal!

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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Proof?


    *10 char limit*

    How about that they claim that the devices can't transmit, store images in any way, despite the fact that anybody who has had an iota of education on computer system architecture / design / theory knows that impossible if operators want to:

    1. get the images off the device in the first place
    2. be able to process the incoming data and any relevant instructions needed to make it so the people in the booths can see the image in the first place
    3. have something to use in case something DOES happen.

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    Good God who cares if they have images of you under your clothes?!
    Anybody who gives a damn about the constitution, IMO - last I checked, cops aren't allowed to do what the TSA is doing in regards to both the body scanners and the pat downs, why in god's name should non-cop federal agents be given those "forbidden privileges?" [Also, you might want to look into the 4th Amendment]

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I am of the believe that there are two types of genital equipment and once you've see one you've seen them all. Big deal!
    And you, like many others blindly supporting this technology, miss the point completely. [what a surprise /s*]


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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    How about that they claim that the devices can't transmit, store images in any way, despite the fact that anybody who has had an iota of education on computer system architecture / design / theory knows that impossible if operators want to:

    1. get the images off the device in the first place
    2. be able to process the incoming data and any relevant instructions needed to make it so the people in the booths can see the image in the first place
    3. have something to use in case something DOES happen.



    Anybody who gives a damn about the constitution, IMO - last I checked, cops aren't allowed to do what the TSA is doing in regards to both the body scanners and the pat downs, why in god's name should non-cop federal agents be given those "forbidden privileges?" [Also, you might want to look into the 4th Amendment]



    And you, like many others blindly supporting this technology, miss the point completely. [what a surprise /s*]


    *a snarky comment ender of which I only say after debating this stuff on the CNN discussion boards
    Please cite chapter/verse in the Constitution that says body scans can't be used to ensure safety...with the full consent of the participants. Oh, and before you use THIS argument, cite where in the Constitution it says that everyone has an unfettered right to fly. I'll wait.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, and before you use THIS argument, cite where in the Constitution it says that everyone has an unfettered right to fly. I'll wait.
    First you tell me when the issue became about a right to fly as opposed to the extent of government intervention in regards to travel.

    [Hey, I'm not the one who introduced the strawman]



    Also, Last I checked, safety, or the perception of it for that matter, doesn't completely trump the constitution - though I guess that will be more accurately gauged in the coming months when the courts sift through the lawsuits popping up. Remember, though they have ruled on airport security before, I don't think they've ever had to deal with anything /QUITE/ like the pat downs or body scanners. To apply the rulings there to here may be very disingenuous.

    Consider for example that the TSA is not law enforcement, and to do anything even close to resembling their behavior requires very specific circumstances or protocol BECAUSE of the fine lines between reasonable and unreasonable searches,e and a violation of the 4th Amendment.

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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    First you tell me when the issue became about a right to fly as opposed to the extent of government intervention in regards to travel.

    [Hey, I'm not the one who introduced the strawman]
    The moment that people started to complain about the TSA using body scanners being unconstitutional.
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