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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold part: Since flying is not a constitutional right your concern here is misplaced.
    Irrelevant, traveling without overt intrusion, REGARDLESS of transportation, IS a right - to frame it solely in a "right to fly" aspect is IMO ignoring the deeper issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Instead of going after these things how about a compromise? Charter, hire, or make an independent group to randomly go to the airports that full body scanners are being used in order to check to make sure that protocols are being followed by the TSA. They could show up without warning at any time. In fact lets go one step further and apply this group to ALL areas that the TSA is in period. They can check the procedures and protocols of the TSA all over the place. They don't even have to warn the TSA that they are there until after they themselves go through the check point to "test" what is being done. (edit note: after all, normal police agencies have their own "police" that investigates policemen why not the TSA also?)
    Interesting idea actually.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The moment that people started to complain about the TSA using body scanners being unconstitutional.
    Oh really, it became a right to fly issue then and there? Considering the expanding, and potentially expanding application of these devices to other forms of transportation I am still having trouble seeing how objecting to this technology as it is now frames it that way.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    LMAO
    as already proven in this thread http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-airplane.html

    TSA policy does NOT violate the constitution in anyway what so ever.

    You can hate TSA, want it removed, think it goes to far and I may even agree with you, argue its effectiveness etc etc and all that is fine. However, no matter how bad anybody wants it to TSA policy does NOT violate the constitution.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Yes, Us citizens own our own airspace. It is controlled by the FAA a govt organization. I know it's hard to comprehend for liberals, but the govt works for us, not the other way around. If airspace isnt owned by the citizens of this country, then who in pray tell owns it that aren't citizens of this country? I can't wait for this answer.

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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Yes, Us citizens own our own airspace. It is controlled by the FAA a govt organization. I know it's hard to comprehend for liberals, but the govt works for us, not the other way around. If airspace isnt owned by the citizens of this country, then who in pray tell owns it that aren't citizens of this country? I can't wait for this answer.
    Not sure what your position is on this subject so if I get it wrong I apologizein advance but the answer to your question has ZERO impact to TSA policy and how it does NOT violate the constitution

    [B]IF[/B] thats even what you were getting at.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    LMAO
    as already proven in this thread http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-airplane.html

    TSA policy does NOT violate the constitution in anyway what so ever.
    Proven how? A bunch of us waiving our pricks at each other over our opinions on the issue doesn't prove definitively jack squat in a factual sense. That is for a judge to decide, not you or I, or a thread of opinions, fortunately there is a stream of lawsuits still snaking its way through our legal system and [eventually] we'll see the court's view on these recent policies.

    All you are doing is repeating the "it is because it is because it is" - no substance, just broken record repetition.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Proven how? A bunch of us waiving our pricks at each other on the issue doesn't prove definitively jack squat. That is for a judge to decide, not you or I, or a thread of opinions.

    Care to prove it? All you are doing is repeating the "it is because it is because it is" - no substance, just broken record repetition.
    No thats what you are doing. You are screaming and making up meaningless irrelevant scenarios and hoping if you cry loud enough people will buy it. The other people are using common sense and logic and can see that even if they dont like the TSA it doesnt violate the constitution. Why? But the fact is theres no violation. You can dismiss it all you want but it wasnt a violation yesterday and it isnt today either LMAO. The proof is THERES NO AMENDMENTS BEING BROKEN lol

    You provide the amendment you think is being broken and Ill gladly explain to you why you are wrong.

    If TSA policy goes away it wont because it violates the constitution, that has already been proven.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    An X-ray is a body scan. An MRI is also body scan. They render completely different images. Just saying it's a body scan doesn't really inform anyone of what it is.




    And there is question about whether those images are doctored, and ther eis a question about whether those images are stored or transmittable.

    The issue of whether or not the search is actualy reasonable to begin with.



    They'd know exactly what they are consenting to.



    Never.

    Have you ever wondered what goes on in Wilford Brimley's bedroom?
    Exactly..

    1. reasonable = Arab looking dude with long beard.
    2. Unreasonable = Grandma

    I agree that full consent requires full disclosure. That said, I personally have no issues with the scan. I was recently scanned, and when in the scanner I felt nothing, and it didn't even cross mu mind that someone was looking at all my junk.. Who cares anyway. I got nothing to hide..


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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Who cares anyway. I got nothing to hide..



    Yeah, like it is possible to believe in, take advantage of the social and legal principals of privacy, and then on one hand be believe it is possible to hold the binary opposite simultaneously.

    You can't have "NOTHING" to hide and believe in privacy, which is a concept of concealment. It is simply impossible logically speaking to hold such binary opposites simultaneously.
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    Re: Judge says government need not disclose air traveler security images

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Irrelevant, traveling without overt intrusion, REGARDLESS of transportation, IS a right - to frame it solely in a "right to fly" aspect is IMO ignoring the deeper issues.
    Show me where it says this in the Constitution please.

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    Interesting idea actually.
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