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    Re: Behind Tunisia Unrest, Rage Over Wealth of Ruling Family

    It's unclear to me who will get control.
    One hopes it will be the net-connected young and their more modern ideas.
    But the Military and other possibilities still loom.

    If needed... The UN does have troops in Africa/North Africa already

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    Wedeman: Tunisia's military putting boot on 'Jasmine Revolution' - CNN.com
    By Ben Wedeman, CNN Senior International Correspondent
    January 15, 2011
    Updated 1817 GMT

    TUNIS, Tunisia (CNN) -- Are jackboots already trampling the "Jasmine Revolution"?

    It happened with breathtaking speed. Within a matter of weeks, Tunisia went from being a beacon of authoritarian, pro-Western stability to a country in open, nationwide revolt. A largely leaderless, spontaneous popular movement drove the head of state from power.

    At the moment it's not clear whether that movement will result in real change, or just a change at the top.

    Shortly after Friday's massive demonstrations in Tunis, which reached a crescendo outside the hated Ministry of the Interior on Avenue Mohamed V, President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali fled the country, taking refuge in Saudi Arabia.

    The army and security forces are trying to impose order in Tunis. Tanks and armored personnel carriers have been deployed on one of the capital's main thoroughfares, Avenue 7 Novembre (named after the date when Ben Ali assumed presidential powers in 1987). At midday Saturday I watched as two truckloads of soldiers pulled up on the avenue and began stringing out barbed wire.\

    A dusk-to-dawn curfew is being ruthlessly enforced. Just how ruthlessly I saw from my hotel window. At midnight I watched as plain-clothed policemen beat with batons and kicked a young man to the ground.
    All the while be screamed, "Have mercy on me!"
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    Re: Behind Tunisia Unrest, Rage Over Wealth of Ruling Family

    I don't think Tunisia will turn into another Iran or worse. We are talking about possibly the most secular country in the Arab world. Tunisian people are Western-friendly, they have a good education, their average income is higher than that of their neighbours, and there is still a sizeable Jewish population living peacefully in Tunisia. I thus believe it is very wrong to fear this democratic uprising, as it can be seen as some sort of nostalgia for the ruthless ancient regime. And, no, no dictator would be preferable to a democratic regime: a lack of freedom could make moderate people become extremist.

    This is big news in France, first because there are a lot of people from Tunisia living here, and last because France is Tunisia's biggest economic partner. The latter is why the French government is relatively quiet about this, a bit of a shame if you ask me. Our new Foreign Affairs minister (some right-wing freak) first asked the gov to send policemen (code-word for storm-troopers) to help the now ex-President of Tunisia clamp down on protesters... she is now in silent mode.

    I for one am very happy for the brave Tunisian people, but it must be very difficult for them right now. Rumours have it that Ben Ali released his men into the streets to create mayhem, in hopes it will discredit the protests. It seems that the military is on the people's side though, which is a good thing.
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    Good vantage point view from Tunis Webcam.

    http://www.camvista.com/usercams/web...nis---tunisia/

    tank in the foreground? Hard to tell in night picture.
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    Re: Tunisian Rioters Overwhelm Police Near Capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    you know the same food price increases they're seeing over there, we're seeing here. …
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Here's the scary part of this.

    Much of this is simply a food riot. People are hungry, unemployed, and going stir crazy.

    A third consecutive poor global food harvest is expected this year. Prices will go up.

    Oil is breaching $100 per barrel. Food is more expensive to transport, so prices will go up further.

    The global economy is already hurting many people, who can doubly not afford for prices to go up.

    Too many things are coming together the wrong way. …
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    China is concerned about the increase in food prices... it is happening globally... even here in Taiwan and other prosperous Asian democracies, food price increases are a problem, though not likely to lead to the problems in a country like Tunisia...
    I think your point is very timely. The reality is that the whole world is seeing food price inflation and it represents a considerable concern to the powers that be, especially within the more ‘brittle’ governments.

    Excerpted from “Global effort to calm food prices” By Steven Mufson, Washington Post Staff Writer, The Washington Post, Saturday, January 15, 2011
    China this month boosted interest rates in an effort to cool its economy and calm inflation, which has been particularly strong for food. …

    Lester Brown, president of the Earth Policy Institute, a Washington think tank, warns that long-term food trends are worrisome, especially for soybeans. He notes that in 1995 China produced the same amount of soybeans it consumed, but since then production has stayed the same and consumption has jumped fivefold. …
    Excerpted from “China plans 'one-two punch' against food prices rise,” China Daily, Updated: 2010-11-16 10:30
    China will look to deliver a "one-two punch" against food prices surge in the coming weeks by implementing price controls and cracking down on speculators, official media reported on Tuesday.

    The government is very concerned by the rapid increase in food prices and is determined to bring them under control, the China Securities Journal reported on its front page. …
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    Re: Tunisian Rioters Overwhelm Police Near Capital

    The government in Tunisia has been overthrown a second time in 24 hours. Prime Minister Mohamed Ghannouchi has stepped down as well. The acting president according to the Constitution is now the speaker of Parliament, Fouad Mebazaa, although it's anyone's guess at this point if he actually wields any power or if the protests will force him out too.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/wo...a/16tunis.html
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    Re: Tunisian Rioters Overwhelm Police Near Capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Tunisia is the last country in Africa/ME that will collapse to Islamists.
    Where there is a power vacum anything can happen.

    People forget this is a highly educated, secular youth driven country. It has very small (if any) element of Islamists.
    So was Iran under the Shah and Iraq under Saddam. In fact before the Shah fell, Iran was the most educated and advanced country in the Middle East at the time. Women could vote, drive and had equal rights and so on. Same for Iraq somewhat before the 1991 war.

    Egypt ... sure. Although I do also hope Egypt's leader gets overthrown, the extremists element is a threat there. I do not think Egypt helped matters by its suppression of the brotherhood, it fed them fire to grow
    The brotherhood started there and killed Sadat. Dont think Egypt could have done less to be honest. As for Egypt doing that is happening in Tunisia.. it would be catastrophic for the region.

    US and the West ... but especially US indeed has to back off and if anything give a few encouraging words here and there but not give any would-be dictator ammunition.
    Why do I suspect that is wishful thinking?

    When the elections happens in 60 days and if it occurs successfully. This will give many in the Arab world in similar and worse positions hope. A example. A democracy in the Muslim/Arab world through the people and not by the end of a gun. I have hope for Tunisia and its future
    Ditto, but based on historical fact then I am not optimistic. The people of Tunisia would not know democracy if it kicked them in the groin.
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    Re: Tunisian Rioters Overwhelm Police Near Capital

    The head of Ben Ali's presidential security has been arrested by police, according to al-Jazeera (via the Twittersphere).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Tunisia has one of the most censored media/internet presences in the world. I doubt that very many Tunisians have even heard of Wikileaks, much less that it was the catalyst for this.
    The First WikiLeaks Revolution? | WikiLeaked

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    Re: Tunisian Rioters Overwhelm Police Near Capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Egypt ... sure. Although I do also hope Egypt's leader gets overthrown, the extremists element is a threat there. I do not think Egypt helped matters by its suppression of the brotherhood, it fed them fire to grow.
    Egypt Stocks Drop Most in Six Weeks on Concern Tunisia Unrest May Spread - Bloomberg

    is anyone following last week's happenings in lebanon, on the brink?

    My Way News - Government fall plunges Lebanon into uncertainty

    what's hillary's position over at foggy bottom regarding these significant geopolitical events, does she even have one?

    her hi profile palestinian peace talks in september went kerplop

    Israeli and Palestinian peace talks in jeopardy, as Israel nears end of settlement moratorium

    Palestinian leaders: No peace talks without broad settlement freeze - CNN

    Israel eyes huge east Jerusalem settlement project - Yahoo! News

    aside its ESCALATION of afghanistan and his one sided start treaty, obama's state dept has effectively no foreign policy

    oh well, back to the drawing board

    White House seeks new ideas about Mideast peace - Laura Rozen - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Tunisian Rioters Overwhelm Police Near Capital

    Just some of the results from the police attacking protesters.


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