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Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking to st

In the wake of the Arizona shooting, are you more or less in favor of gun ownership?

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Every time something like this happens, people are always looking for a scapegoat. How about blaming the guy who pulled the trigger?
 
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from the OP



That would be the hope. That would be the prayer. The reality is that a society where all of us or most of us walk around armed are ready to use our weapons could also have a negative side as folks lose their tempers, succumb to rage, and generally lose control in some confrontational situations which now result in the one fingered salute of a simple F YOU directed at somebody who offends them or cuts them off on the highway. That is not the society I want to live in.

I'd hate to be among a group of people with weapons even if they ar justified in shooting back. More people would probably get hurt. It used to be bad enough when I went hunting. One of the reasons why I gave up hunting and stick to fishing.
 
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You already know from another thread. Why are you asking me again?

Oh I l know. So you can hurl some insults. :roll:

If your solution had any merit you would be proud to post it again. frankly It must not have resonated with me since i don't remember
 
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Every time something like this happens, people are always looking for a scapegoat. How about blaming the guy who pulled the trigger?

Bingo. We have us a winner. You get a virtual cigar from me, on one condition, of course. You must promise to print it out and smoke it. :mrgreen:
 
Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

So what's your point besides another mindless insult?

hardly mindless-its truth-every time mindless libs scream for gun bans, gun owners start stocking up
 
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Arrested him for what? There was no evidence he had broken the law until he started firing. Nice try at a straw man, but I just burned him to the ground. :mrgreen:

I think he's referring to his running a red light and being stopped for it a couple hours earlier.
 
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Everyone needs to remember that gun laws had NOTHING to do with the fact that the people present at this event were not armed. The reason they weren't armed was simply their own personal choice, Arizona has some of the most liberal gun laws in the country if they wanted to carry a weapon it would have been as easy as buying a pack of gum.

No one should think gun laws stood in the way of these people's ability to personally defend themselves with a weapon, or that less gun laws would have meant more of them would have been armed. Again its already so easy to buy a gun in Arizona that gun laws have almost nothing to do with the sale of a weapon, they primarily deal with what kinds of guns, and accessories, can and cannot be sold.

Lastly for those who believe gun laws do not work in the reduction of crime or violence, remember too that this man was only able to purchase a semi-automatic weapon. The primary argument I hear against gun control laws is that "criminals will get guns anyway" which is true to an extent. However if one thinks like a criminal its not too much of a strech to think some criminals would love to have a fully automatic weapon, however you rarely see crimes committed with fully automatic weapons. Why? Because they are illegal, their sale and manufacturing is closely regulated. So clearly in that case, gun laws have been successful in keeping deadlier weapons than those available to law abiding citizens off the black market.

Yep that 9 year old girl could have been carrying and a happy NRA card holder.
 
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If your solution had any merit you would be proud to post it again. frankly It must not have resonated with me since i don't remember

Riiiiiight. :roll:

It's actually in this thread but i guess you missed it.
 
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Yep that 9 year old girl could have been carrying and a happy NRA card holder.

that's rather stupid
 
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Riiiiiight. :roll:

It's actually in this thread but i guess you missed it.

why do libs have such a hard time repeating what they think is a good idea.
 
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The bullet does the damage, but it has no will of it's own. It takes a decision by a person to fire it. That's why we have the expression "Guns don't kill people, people do".

I did not know that! :shock::lamo
 
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Every time something like this happens, people are always looking for a scapegoat. How about blaming the guy who pulled the trigger?

Who's looking for a scapegoat? I'm just saying why make it easy for certifible nutjobs to kill people?
 
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why do libs have such a hard time repeating what they think is a good idea.

If you can't find it in such a short thread i can't help you. I've actually repeated it.
 
Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

that's rather stupid

Hey I wasn't the one that said everyone there could have been carrying if it was their choice.
 
Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

Who's looking for a scapegoat? I'm just saying why make it easy for certifible nutjobs to kill people?

And how are you going to discern whether people are or aren't certifiably nuts enough to purchase a gun? What is the standard?
 
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And how are you going to discern whether people are or aren't certifiably nuts enough to purchase a gun? What is the standard?

the current standard is a good balance between privacy rights, due process, constitutional rights, and public safety--that being a court finding of mental incompetence or involuntary committment
 
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I think he's referring to his running a red light and being stopped for it a couple hours earlier.

I know. But what on what basis could he have been arrested and thrown in jail? Certainly not for running a red light. LOL.
 
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This is going to be, I'm afraid, a fairly controversial thread, and maybe I should not be bringing this up so soon after the Tucson tragedy. But, nevertheless, this needs to be said, so I'm saying it.

It seems that gun sales have doubled in some places in Arizona. In the aftermath of what happened there, I can understand the fear among some that there could be some proposals for restrictions of guns, in the wake of this senseless shooting rampage.

But, IMHO, there is another reason to own guns, and that was aptly demonstrated when a nutcase put 13 persons in the hospital, and 6 more in the ground. So here is the question I want to ask:

Had some of the people at the Giffords event been armed, do you believe the toll would have been less? I believe so, and it is incidents like this that affirm by belief in a strong support of the Second Amendment. An armed population is a safer population.

Some will argue that an armed population leads to incidents, such as happened in Arizona, but I am going to cut that argument off at the pass by stating the obvious - Where it is illegal to own guns, criminals will still get them. I say that law abiding citizens should be able to own them too. After all, this IS part of our Constitutional rights. Once more, I stand solidly behind the premise that an armed population is a safer population. You can't rely on the police to stop incidents like this, but you can sure enough get your hands on a Glock and do it yourself, before calling the police to report that a nutcase with a gun was shot to death before he completed his mission.

Now answer the poll.

Article is here.

Considering the fact I believe that citizens should be able to get their hands on the same weapons that law enforcement and the military can get and without a license/permit,waiting period and etc my stand on this issue has not changed.
 
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This is going to be, I'm afraid, a fairly controversial thread …

I don't think there's much controversy; most people's attitudes about guns haven't changed at all.
 
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And how are you going to discern whether people are or aren't certifiably nuts enough to purchase a gun? What is the standard?

A history of dangerous mental problems should prevent you from being able to legally buy a firearm. It can be confidential but still raise a red flag in a background check. The standard is if a physician believes an individual is danger to himself or others.
 
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I don't think there's much controversy; most people's attitudes about guns haven't changed at all.

It has changed. Heels are dug in deeper and attitudes cemented much harder. And this greasing the roller tracks to societal disaster will only continue.
 
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A history of dangerous mental problems should prevent you from being able to legally buy a firearm. It can be confidential but still raise a red flag in a background check. The standard is if a physician believes an individual is danger to himself or others.

what standard of proof would you require and what level of due process?
 
Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

Given that the perpetrator was subdued without need of a gun, it is difficult to fathom the thought processes of the new owners. Alongside that, the sudden rise in novice gunmen and women walking the streets means that America is probably a markedly less safe place to be.
 
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Given that the perpetrator was subdued without need of a gun, it is difficult to fathom the thought processes of the new owners. Alongside that, the sudden rise in novice gunmen and women walking the streets means that America is probably a markedly less safe place to be.

actually as CCW rates have increased accidental shootings have not--indeed non LEO civilians are less likely to miss a criminal than cops and less likely to shoot a friendly than cops
 
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