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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    At first sight, that flies in the face of reason. Professionals with regular training and updates are consistently outperformed by novice amateurs?
    I know some cops that couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

    Here's an example of some trained and updated professionals.

    Five of the seven officers investigating the club were involved in the shooting. Detective Paul Headley fired one round, Officer Michael Carey fired three, Officer Marc Cooper fired four, Officer Gescard Isnora fired eleven, and veteran officer Michael Oliver emptied two full magazines, firing 31 shots from a 9mm handgun and pausing to reload at least once.[20][21][22][23]

    An autopsy showed Bell was struck four times in the neck and torso. Guzman (31 y.o.) was shot 19 times and Benefield (23 y.o.), who was in the back seat, was hit three times.

    Sean Bell shooting incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    These guys only got a 50% hit rate. Loughner, a kid, with no training that only owned a gun for a little over a month, did better than these professionals.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Wow I guess gun sales haven't been this good since Obama became president. Fear apparently sells guns.
    yeah, fear you won't be able to buy them any more.
    Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep willing to contest the vote.

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    I try to imagine what would happen if we decided to severely restrict gun sales and strictly tighten up gun ownership rules. Think about how many guns there are in circulation. The black market would become huge and the disparity in ownership between the criminal element and the law abiding citizen would climb. The crime of stealing guns would go through the roof. Things aren't so bad now as you think. We pay the price every day for being such a free society. Guns are not the only thing we could eliminate to make us all safer but at what cost.

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Had some of the people at the Giffords event been armed, do you believe the toll would have been less? I believe so, and it is incidents like this that affirm by belief in a strong support of the Second Amendment. An armed population is a safer population.
    Interestingly enough; one of the men that jumped on the shooter was armed. Why he didnít shoot the shooter I donít know. Most likely is that he didnít want to kill another person. It may be that he was the second man to get to the shooter and didnít have a clear shot.

    Most people who carry hand guns arenít looking to kill someone. I have been justified in using deadly force twice and chose to use other means to defuse the situation. I hate to think that either of the crazy men that I let live went on to injury or kill someone else after that. One in particular was a very dangerous person who wanted to hurt me because I looked at him at a gas station but he retreated when I offered to cover him with gasoline before I set him on fire with my Colt 9mm.

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Obama has supported most major gun and ammunition control initiatives during a decade and a half in public life, including renewing the expired ban on semiautomatic assault rifles. But while he has an unambiguously liberal record on guns, he talks about the issue using muted, nonconfrontational tones engineered to avoid alienating gun-friendly voters, a huge proportion of the electorate that has steadily drifted away from Obama.

    That pattern has held true, and then some, in the wake of the assassination attempt against Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the murder of six others earlier this month.

    White House officials have remained noncommittal about an effort by liberals in the House and Senate to restrict access to the kind of high-capacity ammunition magazines that allowed suspect Jared Lee Loughner to inflict mass casualties in a matter of seconds using a single, legal handgun.
    Barack Obama?s conspicuous silence on guns - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

    just like closing gitmo

    it's the right thing to do, according to obama, but it's just so difficult
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    Interestingly enough; one of the men that jumped on the shooter was armed. Why he didnít shoot the shooter I donít know. Most likely is that he didnít want to kill another person. It may be that he was the second man to get to the shooter and didnít have a clear shot.

    Most people who carry hand guns arenít looking to kill someone. I have been justified in using deadly force twice and chose to use other means to defuse the situation. I hate to think that either of the crazy men that I let live went on to injury or kill someone else after that. One in particular was a very dangerous person who wanted to hurt me because I looked at him at a gas station but he retreated when I offered to cover him with gasoline before I set him on fire with my Colt 9mm.
    The armed bystander was Joe Zamudio.

    Judge John Roll Was a Hero: Why Didn't We Know This? - Sandy Rios - Townhall Conservative

    We know that retired Army National Guard Colonel Bill Badger, though injured, tackled Loughner. We know Joe Zamudio, a young bystander carrying a gun, ran to the scene initially to stop the shooter by his own deadly force, but aided Badger instead in the restraint. While both held Loughner, Patricia Maisch removed another loaded magazine from Loughnerís pocket.

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Wow I guess gun sales haven't been this good since Obama became president. Fear apparently sells guns.
    The "fear" in this case is more gun control legislation.
    He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. ~ Winston Churchill

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    Interestingly enough; one of the men that jumped on the shooter was armed. Why he didnít shoot the shooter I donít know. Most likely is that he didnít want to kill another person. It may be that he was the second man to get to the shooter and didnít have a clear shot.

    Most people who carry hand guns arenít looking to kill someone. I have been justified in using deadly force twice and chose to use other means to defuse the situation. I hate to think that either of the crazy men that I let live went on to injury or kill someone else after that. One in particular was a very dangerous person who wanted to hurt me because I looked at him at a gas station but he retreated when I offered to cover him with gasoline before I set him on fire with my Colt 9mm.
    As I understand it this was the situation. The ability for individuals to shoot in these situations is extremely limited.
    He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. ~ Winston Churchill

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    yeah, fear you won't be able to buy them any more.
    Bingo. Fear of the government.
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