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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Arrested him for what? There was no evidence he had broken the law until he started firing. Nice try at a straw man, but I just burned him to the ground.
    Actually he did break the law the very morning of the shooting:

    Loughner Stopped by Police Hours before Shooting - CBS News

    Jared Lougher, 22, ran a red light but was let off with a warning at 7:30 a.m. Saturday, the Arizona Game and Fish Department said. The officer took Loughner's driver's license and vehicle registration information but found no outstanding warrants on Loughner or his vehicle.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually he did break the law the very morning of the shooting:

    Loughner Stopped by Police Hours before Shooting - CBS News
    so what does that mean-he got a warning-SOP



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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When there are deranged citizens, mass confusion and armed people running around in stressful situations the toll of death will be lower? Are you able to work better when you have heavy metal music blasting into one ear and your wife screaming in the other? If anything all scientific evidence indicates that a human being is more likely to commit a mistake during such a situation.
    Perhaps the media should have stuck to the lone nutjob line--for the time being at least--rather than scaring the crap out of people, insisting that poltical rhetoric causes people to commit mass murder? Just sayin'.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually he did break the law the very morning of the shooting:

    Loughner Stopped by Police Hours before Shooting - CBS News
    He ran a red light. Geez, you think people who run red lights should be thrown in jail? LOL.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    Perhaps the media should have stuck to the lone nutjob line--for the time being at least--rather than scaring the crap out of people, insisting that poltical rhetoric causes people to commit mass murder? Just sayin'.
    I don't know if you've noticed, but the media isn't really interested in reporting truth. In an era of heightened political tensions portraying this as a result of those tensions not only allows them to expand the story enormously past its original attention span but also allows them to go on and on about issues related to their manufactured version of events. It also allows government officials to attack partisanship and spout bipartisanship in a time when they are themselves engaging in the very action they condemn and also issue calls against "political extremism" of all stripes, regardless of its legitimacy. That and of course it also distracts attention from important matters which the American people hear little or nothing about in the mainstream media.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    No change/same opinion

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually as CCW rates have increased accidental shootings have not--indeed non LEO civilians are less likely to miss a criminal than cops and less likely to shoot a friendly than cops
    At first sight, that flies in the face of reason. Professionals with regular training and updates are consistently outperformed by novice amateurs?
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When there are deranged citizens, mass confusion and armed people running around in stressful situations the toll of death will be lower? Are you able to work better when you have heavy metal music blasting into one ear and your wife screaming in the other? If anything all scientific evidence indicates that a human being is more likely to commit a mistake during such a situation.
    Certainly with the wife part going on.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    He ran a red light. Geez, you think people who run red lights should be thrown in jail? LOL.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    At first sight, that flies in the face of reason. Professionals with regular training and updates are consistently outperformed by novice amateurs?
    actually, as the head of one of America's premier Firearms training academies noted (and a former head of a major metropolitan county wide swat team) --if you go to the police firing range and select ten officers at random and then go to "targetworld" (a public shooting range in Cincinnati) and pull ten people off the range at random, the latter group will most definetly outshoot the former group and almost always will be better informed about weapons.

    the average police officer shoots less than 200 rounds a year. the average gun enthusiast who applies for CCW licenses shoots far more. In 1989 (the year I conducted a study), Cincinnati (which is ranked as one of the top police departments in the country) had 984 officers and that department used about 140K rounds of ammo. Now the training officers who ran firearms qualifications used about 25K of those rounds. CPD officers could shoot anytime they wanted at the Evendale range meaning it is unlikely many were buying their own ammo on the side. 980 officers shot 115,000 rounds. Do the math

    When I was shooting on the "action pistol" circuit (IPSC, Steel, Pins) I was shooting 60,000 rounds a year. The people I competed against were shooting between 25K-100K rounds a year. Serious bullseye shooters shot less but spent hours "dry firing". Most hobby shooters shoot 50-100 rounds a week.

    Bottom line-very few cops are good shots-the ones who are generally are the training officers or "adjunct" officers. (several of us who were top shooters were "special deputies" so we could shoot for the county sheriff's pistol team)



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