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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    And how are you going to discern whether people are or aren't certifiably nuts enough to purchase a gun? What is the standard?
    the current standard is a good balance between privacy rights, due process, constitutional rights, and public safety--that being a court finding of mental incompetence or involuntary committment



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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I think he's referring to his running a red light and being stopped for it a couple hours earlier.
    I know. But what on what basis could he have been arrested and thrown in jail? Certainly not for running a red light. LOL.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is going to be, I'm afraid, a fairly controversial thread, and maybe I should not be bringing this up so soon after the Tucson tragedy. But, nevertheless, this needs to be said, so I'm saying it.

    It seems that gun sales have doubled in some places in Arizona. In the aftermath of what happened there, I can understand the fear among some that there could be some proposals for restrictions of guns, in the wake of this senseless shooting rampage.

    But, IMHO, there is another reason to own guns, and that was aptly demonstrated when a nutcase put 13 persons in the hospital, and 6 more in the ground. So here is the question I want to ask:

    Had some of the people at the Giffords event been armed, do you believe the toll would have been less? I believe so, and it is incidents like this that affirm by belief in a strong support of the Second Amendment. An armed population is a safer population.

    Some will argue that an armed population leads to incidents, such as happened in Arizona, but I am going to cut that argument off at the pass by stating the obvious - Where it is illegal to own guns, criminals will still get them. I say that law abiding citizens should be able to own them too. After all, this IS part of our Constitutional rights. Once more, I stand solidly behind the premise that an armed population is a safer population. You can't rely on the police to stop incidents like this, but you can sure enough get your hands on a Glock and do it yourself, before calling the police to report that a nutcase with a gun was shot to death before he completed his mission.

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    Considering the fact I believe that citizens should be able to get their hands on the same weapons that law enforcement and the military can get and without a license/permit,waiting period and etc my stand on this issue has not changed.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is going to be, I'm afraid, a fairly controversial thread …
    I don't think there's much controversy; most people's attitudes about guns haven't changed at all.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    And how are you going to discern whether people are or aren't certifiably nuts enough to purchase a gun? What is the standard?
    A history of dangerous mental problems should prevent you from being able to legally buy a firearm. It can be confidential but still raise a red flag in a background check. The standard is if a physician believes an individual is danger to himself or others.

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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I don't think there's much controversy; most people's attitudes about guns haven't changed at all.
    It has changed. Heels are dug in deeper and attitudes cemented much harder. And this greasing the roller tracks to societal disaster will only continue.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    A history of dangerous mental problems should prevent you from being able to legally buy a firearm. It can be confidential but still raise a red flag in a background check. The standard is if a physician believes an individual is danger to himself or others.
    what standard of proof would you require and what level of due process?



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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Given that the perpetrator was subdued without need of a gun, it is difficult to fathom the thought processes of the new owners. Alongside that, the sudden rise in novice gunmen and women walking the streets means that America is probably a markedly less safe place to be.
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    Re: Giffords shooting causes gun sales to skyrocket in Arizona, some buyers looking t

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Given that the perpetrator was subdued without need of a gun, it is difficult to fathom the thought processes of the new owners. Alongside that, the sudden rise in novice gunmen and women walking the streets means that America is probably a markedly less safe place to be.
    actually as CCW rates have increased accidental shootings have not--indeed non LEO civilians are less likely to miss a criminal than cops and less likely to shoot a friendly than cops



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