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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I can't figure out if this entire post of yours was just bad satire or really, really sad seriousness.
    I'm just really sick of some people saying things that stupid. I thought I'd try to beat them to it.
    Sorry, it was more for my benefit than anyone else's. I should have hit cancel instead of post after it served it's purpose.
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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You have issues with identifying political views and the side they're on then. Much of what's being described in your post are things that are almost to a T describing an extreme libertarian....an individual that would be neither correctly labeled left nor right wing in and of itself. Some of the things on your list in this particular instance, such as issues with the debt/monetary system, the federal reserve, and the world bank are all clearly extreme right issues.
    This isn’t Libertarian stuff and it certainly isn’t Democratic Party stuff but this is certainly extreme left wing/anarchist crap. This is an attempt to tear down your faith in our current capitalist system and replace it with something similar to communism.

    You really should take the time to watch these movies.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    This isn’t Libertarian stuff and it certainly isn’t Democratic Party stuff but this is certainly extreme left wing/anarchist crap. This is an attempt to tear down your faith in our current capitalist system and replace it with something similar to communism.

    You really should take the time to watch these movies.
    Oh, these movies are very anti-American, which most Libertarians are not. Most Libertarians are patriots who think the government should be a hell of a lot smaller than it is.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Let me also clarify that I’m not trying to imply that these political views are the reason he did what he did. I’m simply trying to point out the lunacy of those who pre-ordained this guy as a Tea Party zealot. If this these movies are an indication of his political views, he was clearly off the map politically and anyone who claims Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly et al had anything to do with this, they are partisan hacks equivalent to the Westboro Baptist Church protesters who never let a tragic death go to waste.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    This isnít Libertarian stuff and it certainly isnít Democratic Party stuff but this is certainly extreme left wing/anarchist crap. This is an attempt to tear down your faith in our current capitalist system and replace it with something similar to communism.

    You really should take the time to watch these movies.
    Its extreme libertarian stuff....libertarian the political philosophy not the party. "Anarchist" in and of itself is a significantly more right-wing than left-wing ideology, some could say the EXTREMEST of right-wing (with a full on communistic/socialistic government controlled to the most finite detail society is the extremest of left-wing view points).

    Seriously, I'm actually giving you specific examples that you've listed...from the federal reserve, to taxes, etc...that are decidingly more extremist right than extremist left views. You don't touch that. You dismiss the notion of some of it being extreme libertarian, which is an ideology that at its extreme ends can't be defined as left nor right in the traditional american sense, simply by referencing parties like the Democrat and Libertarian party.

    It is absolutely and pathetically erronious to try and claim that this is a broadly and flatly "left wing" ideological movie nor that the individual was singularly or broadly "left wing" in any kind of commonly used sense of the word.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Oh, these movies are very anti-American, which most Libertarians are not. Most Libertarians are patriots who think the government should be a hell of a lot smaller than it is.
    Yes, most relatively mainstream libertarians are like that.

    Most EXTREMIST libertarians think the government as a whole is corrupt and needs to be done away with, that the governments are trying to create a one world order, that corporations are running our society.that 9/11 was a government inside job, that the "fed" is an evil manipulating force to enslave us, etc. These are ALL extremist libertarian view points.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Let me also clarify that Iím not trying to imply that these political views are the reason he did what he did. Iím simply trying to point out the lunacy of those who pre-ordained this guy as a Tea Party zealot. If this these movies are an indication of his political views, he was clearly off the map politically and anyone who claims Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, OíReilly et al had anything to do with this, they are partisan hacks equivalent to the Westboro Baptist Church protesters who never let a tragic death go to waste.
    Its just a ludicrous to suggest or give the impression however that he was spurred or inspired by Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or any other mainstream politician on the left. The extremes that this ideology, and that this individual seemingly, opperate in is far and away from the mainstream definition of "far right" and "far left". It is at such a far reaching place that it meshes extremes from both sides and extremes found in neither as.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Fault? -- I think this a good time to have a conversation about the direction of political discourse in our country. I think Sarah and Glenn are part of that conversation. I think integrity means owning up to those times when you overstepped or pushed too far...

    You turn up the heat (hate) the soup will eventually boil over...
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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Far-Righie Belief: Talking Points repeated enough times, eventually become true.

    I'm sorry Tea people, this is false. You can't change reality by wishing it.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Far-Righie Belief: Talking Points repeated enough times, eventually become true.

    I'm sorry Tea people, this is false. You can't change reality by wishing it.
    And you state its unquestionably false based on...?

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