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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    While that may be your immediate concern, I am far more concerned with the next victims of hateful violence.
    What do you mean by "hateful violence"?

    If you mean "violence that occurs because of hate", that occurs every day in America for political and non-political reasons. Why are you just now deciding to be so vocally concerned about it?

    If you mean "violence like what occurred in arizona", what makes you think that this violence was done because of hate, and most specifically political hate, since that seems to be the focus of what you're rallying against?

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Fault? -- I think this a good time to have a conversation about the direction of political discourse in our country. I think Sarah and Glenn are part of that conversation. I think integrity means owning up to those times when you overstepped or pushed too far...

    You turn up the heat (hate) the soup will eventually boil over...
    They are all so much more hateful than Keith Olbermann, Lawrence O'Donnell, and Ed Schultz aren't they?
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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    I'm only half way through movie 2 but it's clear this guy is an extreme lefty. Here are some of my notes from the first 1/2 of movie #2:

    Zeitgeist Addendum

    Monetary system: Scam by Federal Reserve to keep us in debt and enslave the workers.
    Money is lifeblood of our economic system yet that money is debt and we are all slaves to this debt/monetary system.

    Federal Reserve keeps Americans in indentured servitude through debt, inflation and interest but World Bank and IMF do the same on a global scale.


    Debt, submit to employment, slavery, keeping the wage slave in line, only benefiting those at the top of the pyramid, you are working for the banks and corporations that run the government.IMF and world bank = the birth of the economic hit-man.

    Overthrow of Iranian dictator Mossadeq who wanted to give oil revenue to the people of Iran and replaced him with Shaw of Iran who would send those oil profits to USA

    Guatemala 1954: Jacobo Arbenz Guzman (president) wanted to give the land back to the people but powers behind Gov. convinced US congress and US population that he was a soviet puppet so US took him out and replaced him with someone who did the bidding of big international corporations and banks

    Ecuador 1981: Ruled for years by pro USA dictators until truly democratic president Jaime Roldos Aguilera was elected and tried to use Ecuador recourses to help the people but USA didnít like that and assassinated him and key witnesses.

    Panama 1981: Omar Torrijos couldnít be corrupted by USA and wanted to free his people from USA exploitation and wanted to hand Panama Canal back over to the Panama people. USA assassinated him.

    Venezuela 2002: Chavez elected president following a long line of corrupt presidents (USA puppets) who had destroyed the country but Chavez stood up to the USA and demanded that their oil be used to help the Venezuelan oil be used to help the people. USA staged a coup in 2002 to try and overthrow Chavez but failed.

    Iraq 2003: USA couldnít corrupt Saddam and control him like it was able to with the king of Saudi Arabia so USA destroys his military but let him live because he might come around and provide us with the oil we want from them. USA couldnít corrupt him so they sent military in and killed him. Created lucrative deals for Halliburton

    USA is an empire that enslaves the rest of the world. Corporatocracy is the emperor (IMF, World Bank, CIA, JP Morgan Chase, WTO, Federal Reserve, Exxon, Clear Channel News Corp., George W Bush, media, campaign contributions, Pharmaceutical companies, Dick Chenney)

    Capitalists maximize profits regardless of the social and environmental costs. Use debt, bribery and political overthrow to create globalization.

    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Well people change in 2 years. When his friend was friends with him, maybe he didn't care about politics, but apparently sometime within those 2 years he changed.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How are you going to feel, if some Left wing screwball decides to get some payback on Gabby's behalf?
    Equally as outraged.

    The beauty of our nation is that if we don't like someone we vote them out.

    A friend of mine posted before this happened on Facebook: A moderate politician in Pakistan was just killed for his beliefs. Thank God we live in a country where that doesn't happen.

    And then it happened.

    This guy was nuts. His "politics" (for what they are) don't fit the standard definition of politics. His friends all saying that he "changed" over the past few years only goes to show that there was a psychotic break.

    But it doesn't lessen the strength of the calls for us to start being more respectful in our disagreements.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I'm only half way through movie 2 but it's clear this guy is an extreme lefty. Here are some of my notes from the first 1/2 of movie #2:
    You have issues with identifying political views and the side they're on then. Much of what's being described in your post are things that are almost to a T describing an extreme libertarian....an individual that would be neither correctly labeled left nor right wing in and of itself. Some of the things on your list in this particular instance, such as issues with the debt/monetary system, the federal reserve, and the world bank are all clearly extreme right issues.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    Well people change in 2 years. When his friend was friends with him, maybe he didn't care about politics, but apparently sometime within those 2 years he changed.
    Apparently based on what?

    From what his "best friend" said, when you look at it as a whole, it doesn't seem to be that he's suggesting he's "not political" in the sense of that he has no political views (The fact that he says he became obsessed with Zeitgiest identifies he obviously had some political views) but more that he wasn't "political" in the common American sense of being a Democrat/Republican or somewhere between those two.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Hey look, the Zeitgeist Movement has a forum: Categories - The Zeitgeist Movement

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    They are all so much more hateful than Keith Olbermann, Lawrence O'Donnell, and Ed Schultz aren't they?
    Hateful? Hard to argue for that, you can find instances when they're all doing that and its hard to say who's doing it 'more'.
    Partisan? Not really. MSNBC and Fox both cater to specific audiences and what you hear from the comedians on both sides is going to be lulzy.

    They don't pick these people for ****s and giggles. They hire them precisely because they're going to be partisan, because thats who their audience is, that's who they're catering to and that's how they they get ratings.

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    Re: Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Is that a serious question?

    Do I really have choices here?

    In your wildest dreams do you expect me or anyone to advocate for such a thing?
    If a nut is led to believe Palin, Beck, Rush, or O"Reilly are responsible for those deaths and injuries, what makes you think they wouldn't want revenge? All of them get plenty of death threats as it is. Maybe someone will make good on them. just sayin'...
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