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Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

Kelzie said:
Well I don't think it's quite that bad. At the very worst, she just chose the wrong word. Certainly politicians have done worse.
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Whoever said she's a female version of Bush was right on the money.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Whoever said she's a female version of Bush was right on the money.
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I cannot agree. Sarah Palin is a far more dangerous person in that Bush merely helped bankrupt America and presided over our economic decline. Palin has the potential to be the most divisive and mean character in American history going back to those who fanned the flames of the Civil War some century and a half ago. When I first saw and heard her acceptance speech at the 2008 GOP Convention, all the warning bells went off. George Wallace was such a character but his appeal was narrow and very limited compared to Palin. She is the deadly poison in the medicine cabinet labeled with a skull and cross bones that if ever taken could well send America to the emergency ward. I only hope and pray should that eventuality ever happen, the patient survives.
 
Kelzie said:
It was a eight minute professionally produced speech from what I've read. I'm sure someone wrote it.

How could "blood libel" be fairly intuitive? It doesn't mention murder at all in the phrase. Or Jews or persecution for that matter.
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that's because it has entered the common lexicon independent from a history within anti-semitism. "libel" is libel, and "blood" makes it fairly clear what the "libel" is about.
 
Kelzie said:
Well I don't think it's quite that bad. At the very worst, she just chose the wrong word. Certainly politicians have done worse.
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HAH, no kidding. remember that loon who claimed he'd been to 57 States?

whatever happened to him, anywho?
 
cpwill said:
that's because it has entered the common lexicon independent from a history within anti-semitism. "libel" is libel, and "blood" makes it fairly clear what the "libel" is about.
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Only in the more virulent fantasies of the Christianist right. But then the Blood Libel was a Christianist lie in the first place.
 
cpwill said:
that's because it has entered the common lexicon independent from a history within anti-semitism. "libel" is libel, and "blood" makes it fairly clear what the "libel" is about.
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Yes, and it is also clear that a driving range is a stove on wheels. After all, we know the word driving and we know the word range.......



You can convince yourself of most anything when properly motivated, can't you?
 
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Sarah Palin must have hoped that her Jan. 12 video statement would silence her critics, who, in the wake of the Tuscon shootings, have accused the controversial politician of contributing to the vitriolic rhetoric that plagues U.S. politics. But then Palin decided to describe the attacks leveled against her as a "blood libel." The phrase has a long, grim legacy tied to centuries of European persecution of Jews. Bigoted superstition had it that Jews needed the blood of heathens for various ritual practices. Within hours of the statement's publication and the video's appearance on Facebook, the Anti-Defamation League criticized Palin's message, saying that, while blood libel "has become part of English parlance to refer to someone being falsely accused, we wish that Palin had used another phrase, instead of one so fraught with pain in Jewish history."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2042176,00.html#ixzz1AssMIkaW
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Sarah Palin's self-involved, self-pitying rambling rant was a sickening embarrassment. That some on this board don't see that... is scary.
 
Gardener said:
Yes, and it is also clear that a driving range is a stove on wheels. After all, we know the word driving and we know the word range.......

You can convince yourself of most anything when properly motivated, can't you?
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Stop it. Blood libel isn't about Jews. Even though that's the only context it has been used in for oh.... hundreds of years.
 
hazlnut said:
Sarah Palin's self-involved, self-pitying rambling rant was a sickening embarrassment. That some on this board don't see that... is scary.
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I strongly disagree that it is scary. It is predictable . It is understandable. It is the reaction of the fellow True Believer who sees Palin as a worshipper before the same altar that they too prostrate themselves in front of. They rally around her because they are committed to a war on certain aspects of America and do not want to deprive themselves of what they see as a weapon in this war.

On second thought, maybe you are right. That is scary.
 
Hatuey said:
Stop it. Blood libel isn't about Jews. Even though that's the only context it has been used in for oh.... hundreds of years.
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Tell it to the ADL... They had the honesty and integrity to admit that the meaning of the phrase correctly applies to what Palin said...

But what do they know about the term? They are only an organization that defends Jews against racism and hatred.
 
hazlnut said:
Sarah Palin's self-involved, self-pitying rambling rant was a sickening embarrassment. That some on this board don't see that... is scary.
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Can't you feel ANY pity for poor Sarah? I mean, here she's saddled with all those riches, has to deal with having her own reality show, and that insuferable Drama Queen Giffords woman is not only getting all the attention, but she had the unmitigated gall to complain about Sarah's putting her in crosshairs with the words "help us find the solution".

Poor Sarah.
 
Hatuey said:
Stop it. Blood libel isn't about Jews. Even though that's the only context it has been used in for oh.... hundreds of years.
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You do have to admit it's cute, though, the way so many people who had never heard the term until today are already such experts in the matter!
 
haymarket said:
I cannot agree. Sarah Palin is a far more dangerous person in that Bush merely helped bankrupt America and presided over our economic decline. Palin has the potential to be the most divisive and mean character in American history going back to those who fanned the flames of the Civil War some century and a half ago. When I first saw and heard her acceptance speech at the 2008 GOP Convention, all the warning bells went off. George Wallace was such a character but his appeal was narrow and very limited compared to Palin. She is the deadly poison in the medicine cabinet labeled with a skull and cross bones that if ever taken could well send America to the emergency ward. I only hope and pray should that eventuality ever happen, the patient survives.
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Haymarket, those bells you hear rattling around inside your skull have nothing to do with Sarah Palin, or even reality, but are instead lodged in the medicine cabinet you carry around on your shoulders. If you are inclined to hope and pray, as you claim, then perhaps you might start praying for a return to some sort of balance in your life, some handle on reality, and that those dark images bouncing around in your hellish little world will eventually disappear.
 
Gardener said:
You do have to admit it's cute, though, the way so many people who had never heard the term until today are already such experts in the matter!
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It is an expression not exclusive to Jews, no expression is exclusive to anyone, and it fit the situation perfectly.
 
cpwill said:
that's because it has entered the common lexicon independent from a history within anti-semitism. "libel" is libel, and "blood" makes it fairly clear what the "libel" is about.
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and now some examples are popping up:

Andrew Sullivan (who at least adds the jewish context):
A couple of obvious thoughts. Paladino speaks of “perverts who target our children and seek to destroy their lives.” This is the gay equivalent of the medieval (and Islamist) blood-libel against Jews.​

Eugene Robinson
The Washington Post’s Eugene Robinson, who said the Pittsburgh hoax was “the blood libel against black men concerning the defilement of the flower of Caucasian womanhood. It’s been with us for hundreds of years and, apparently, is still with us.”​

Crossfire:
Florida Democrat Peter Deutsch last night on Crossfire:

Let me just talk a little bit about the whole, I guess, spin from the Republicans about — which has been to me the absolute most — the worst statements I have ever heard probably in my life about anything. I mean, almost a blood libel by the Republicans towards Al Gore, saying that he was trying to stop men and women in uniform that are serving this country from voting.​

and so on and so forth.
 
Grant said:
Haymarket, those bells you hear rattling around inside your skull have nothing to do with Sarah Palin, or even reality, but are instead lodged in the medicine cabinet you carry around on your shoulders. If you are inclined to hope and pray, as you claim, then perhaps you might start praying for a return to some sort of balance in your life, some handle on reality, and that those dark images bouncing around in your hellish little world will eventually disappear.
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It is sad that you seek to issue a personal attack on me and my sanity in this shameless post intended to start a flame war with you. I would ask you to speak to the topic and refrain from personal attacks upon me.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Only in the more virulent fantasies of the Christianist right. But then the Blood Libel was a Christianist lie in the first place.
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i don't even know how this is supposed to make sense in the context of which you were responding.

Gardener said:
Yes, and it is also clear that a driving range is a stove on wheels. After all, we know the word driving and we know the word range.......

You can convince yourself of most anything when properly motivated, can't you?
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:shrug: it's how i've used the phrase, and it's how i've seen others (left and right) use it.
 
Talk about much ado about nothing.
 
Hatuey said:
Stop it. Blood libel isn't about Jews. Even though that's the only context it has been used in for oh.... hundreds of years.
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Is there some sort of copyright on the expression? I've never heard of any phrase being forbidden or taboo before, so all of this is rather new and interesting.

We are entering an exciting new age perhaps where the language police will gain ever more power and control over the public vocabulary, and the word Nazis will have their own Bureau of Criminal Phraseology.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Only in the more virulent fantasies of the Christianist right. But then the Blood Libel was a Christianist lie in the first place.
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hazlnut said:
Sarah Palin's self-involved, self-pitying rambling rant was a sickening embarrassment. That some on this board don't see that... is scary.
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haymarket said:
I strongly disagree that it is scary. It is predictable . It is understandable. It is the reaction of the fellow True Believer who sees Palin as a worshipper before the same altar that they too prostrate themselves in front of. They rally around her because they are committed to a war on certain aspects of America and do not want to deprive themselves of what they see as a weapon in this war.

On second thought, maybe you are right. That is scary.
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did you guys know that part of the Presidents' speech tonight was dedicated to you?
 
cpwill said:
did you guys know that part of the Presidents' speech tonight was dedicated to you?
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Did you know that when you point the finger of blame at other that you have three of your very own pointing right back at you?
 
haymarket said:
It is sad that you seek to issue a personal attack on me and my sanity in this shameless post intended to start a flame war with you. I would ask you to speak to the topic and refrain from personal attacks upon me.
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My apologies, Haymarket. I foolishly went along with your imagery and should have resisted the impulse.
 
Grant said:
My apologies, Haymarket. I foolishly went along with your imagery and should have resisted the impulse.
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It would have been better if you had not issued a thinly disguised "apology" at all. I see - I made you do it. I put the imagery in your head. I am responsible for you slandering me.
 
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cooperdave said:
Talk about much ado about nothing.
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Absolutely. It is the chatter of idle minds, filled with the loathing everyone wants to dispel from the political dialogue and yet we can selsom see it in ourselves.
 
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