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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Funny, and probably very true. The piece that upsets me about the whole thing, is that I am not even a fan of Palin. I would vote for nearly any other republican before her... But all this stupid crap that the left obsesses about, forces me to defend her. It's really one of the last things i want to do.
    Then you would be someone interested in the truth of the matter, where a sense of honor is valued, and not among those parroting their insincere indignations about something which, until Sarah Palin used the phrase, held no interest for them.

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Let's look at the term "Blood Libel", folks. It originated as a false accusation that Jewish people used the blood of Gentile children in various religious ceremonies, and was intended to create the impression that Jewish people were so evil that they would indulge in the intentional murder of children. It was a heinous accusation applied against an entire ethic group utilized to create hatred against that group.

    What has occured with Palin, however, is that people are questioning her actual behavior in such a way as to draw a connection between her behavior and whatever contribution such behavior might have played in recent events. Such questioning has revolved around what she HAS done rather than being made up, has NOT accused her of anything so heinous as the intentional murder of children, and has NOT targeted an ethnic group.

    Calling criticisms of her behavior a blood libel is really grasping at straws, here, especially since the target was a Jewish woman. Sure, people want the term to mean anything they darn well please, but the only way the term could be expanded beyond its original meaning would be through attaching a particularly diabolical false characteristic to a whole group of people. This has not occurred here.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Whatever some Palin apologists claim or say, in the real universe, you know, the one that actually exists, everybody who hears the term "blood libel" and has basic historical knowledge, associates this term with anti-Semitic accusations against Jews.

    I don't buy into all the vocal apologisms that are now being made, with the only purpose to deflect responsibility from Palin for what she said.

    It's one of the things that seem increasingly ****ed up about debate culture: Even when a politician says "dark" one day in person on national tv, there are all kinds of hyper-partisan soldiers and hacks vocally explaining he actually meant "light" when the politician is called on it, and asked to take responsibility for it.

    Seriously, can't people knee-jerk reactions to blame the opponent for everything bad that happens, and admit mistake, at least once?
    Are you equally as upset with the dozens of other people that have used the term exactly the same way as Palin did ???

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yeah.. Alan Dershowitz is a Palin apologist. You've pretty much lost any semblance of credibility.
    You can't pretend she didn't want to evoke associations with the historical persecution of Jews, when she said it, can you?
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Are you equally as upset with the dozens of other people that have used the term exactly the same way as Palin did ???
    I haven't heard it from anyone else recently, but it goes without saying that I'd find it just as inappropriate and tasteless if another politician in a free political system used it to describe opposition to him, no matter if Democrat or Republican, leftist or rightie.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I haven't heard it from anyone else recently, but it goes without saying that I'd find it just as inappropriate and tasteless if another politician in a free political system used it to describe opposition to him, no matter if Democrat or Republican, leftist or rightie.


    I wonder why that is? Is it because it's offensive, not offensive, or is it because a few "true believers" will use this to crusify her on thier crusade against her....


    ADL and Rabbi's have come out and said "Meh, not a big deal".....
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    You can't pretend she didn't want to evoke associations with the historical persecution of Jews, when she said it, can you?
    Asks the guy that thinks dershowitz (another Jew) is just a Palin appologist.

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Of course she is legally allowed to use this term. She'd also legally allowed to say she is the "most persecuted person on earth since Jesus Christ", as Berlusconi in Italy once did.

    That doesn't mean she has no responsibility for the implications and context of what she said.

    Just because you're allowed to say something, doesn't mean you 1) have to stand to its meaning and 2) accept when people call you on it.
    So you are calling her on it in defense of the Jewish people, are you? Defending those Jews the world over who were offended by this phrase?

    Are you quite certain they're looking for your assistance?

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Let's look at the term "Blood Libel", folks. It originated as a false accusation that Jewish people used the blood of Gentile children in various religious ceremonies, and was intended to create the impression that Jewish people were so evil that they would indulge in the intentional murder of children. It was a heinous accusation applied against an entire ethic group utilized to create hatred against that group.

    What has occured with Palin, however, is that people are questioning her actual behavior in such a way as to draw a connection between her behavior and whatever contribution such behavior might have played in recent events. Such questioning has revolved around what she HAS done rather than being made up, has NOT accused her of anything so heinous as the intentional murder of children, and has NOT targeted an ethnic group.

    Calling criticisms of her behavior a blood libel is really grasping at straws, here, especially since the target was a Jewish woman. Sure, people want the term to mean anything they darn well please, but the only way the term could be expanded beyond its original meaning would be through attaching a particularly diabolical false characteristic to a whole group of people. This has not occurred here.
    Well said.

    I'd also add that neither Palin nor her supporters are politically or ethnically in a situation comparable to the Jews in Europe and other places, where they were persecuted and slandered with "blood libel". Palin is member of an established and respected mainstream political party, she and her party are neither oppressed nor ostracized, there are no pogromes, persecution or legal discrimination, let alone a Holocaust against Palin, the Tea Party or the Republicans.

    Palin likes harsh and heated rhetorics. By using such rhetorics, she has contributed making the debate climate heated in general. And now she complains when similarly heated rhetorics and accusations are returned, even fueling a myth of persecution?

    I think of the old saying "who gives punches needs the guts to take some too", or "as you shout into the forest, so will it shout back". Palin likes shrill rhetorics, and you may find that good or bad, but at very least, she should have the guts to accept a similar response. Comparing this response to the horrible persecution of Jews in past Europe is not just inappropriate, but very tasteless.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I wonder why that is? Is it because it's offensive, not offensive, or is it because a few "true believers" will use this to crusify her on thier crusade against her....

    ADL and Rabbi's have come out and said "Meh, not a big deal".....
    It's because it is very bad debate style. And yes, I believe it is disrespectful towards the memory of past Jewish persecution. In a way, it's even a variation of Godwin's Law. A rabbi may disagree, but I am sure there are quite a few people, Jews and non-Jews alike, who feel the same.
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