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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    I'd never heard the term before this manufactured controversy, but I know that language evolves, and that words and phrases change meaning over time, that definitions broaden.

    Would Mrs. Palin's critics have me believe she is accusing Jews of these murders? Accusing Jews of slandering her? I mean, if we're going to be literal and apply a 2000 year-old definition, let's get to it already.

    Reading the reportage of the last five days, I've seen a few key terms pop-up suddenly. Among them, "the commentariat," who seem to have started this nonsense, and "martial" vocabulary, including such suddenly charged terms as "target," and "campaign."

    Sarah's critics seem to want it both ways. She's too stupid for politics, yet she's smart enough to apply an arcane term to get a subliminal dig at a group who has done her no harm, and poses no threat.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

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    A psychopath is not mentally ill?

    OK. My apologies if i offended you in some way.
    Nearly there. a "Psychopath" has a personality disorder, not "insanity" or mental illness. As for his classmate, with friends like her, who needs enemies? She was his classmate, he's 22 years old. How long since they were in class together?
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Nearly there. a "Psychopath" has a personality disorder, not "insanity" or mental illness. As for his classmate, with friends like her, who needs enemies? She was his classmate, he's 22 years old. How long since they were in class together?
    I'm of the opinion that Jared Loughner did have a personality disorder when he murdered six people but you may have more experience along these lines than I do.

    As explained earlier the woman was a classmate, not a friend. and she attended school with him three years previous. She apparently felt his personality was not altogether orderly..

    However if you feel she spoke out of turn and was disloyal to her classmate then it demonstrates yet again that there are a wide variety of opinions in this old world.

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Nearly there. a "Psychopath" has a personality disorder, not "insanity" or mental illness. As for his classmate, with friends like her, who needs enemies? She was his classmate, he's 22 years old. How long since they were in class together?
    What are your qualifications to make such a distinction and analysis of his mental disorder?

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I'd never heard the term before this manufactured controversy, but I know that language evolves, and that words and phrases change meaning over time, that definitions broaden.

    Would Mrs. Palin's critics have me believe she is accusing Jews of these murders? Accusing Jews of slandering her? I mean, if we're going to be literal and apply a 2000 year-old definition, let's get to it already.

    Reading the reportage of the last five days, I've seen a few key terms pop-up suddenly. Among them, "the commentariat," who seem to have started this nonsense, and "martial" vocabulary, including such suddenly charged terms as "target," and "campaign."

    Sarah's critics seem to want it both ways. She's too stupid for politics, yet she's smart enough to apply an arcane term to get a subliminal dig at a group who has done her no harm, and poses no threat.
    Just because you had never heard of the term before and its anti-Semitic history, does not mean it did not exist before you heard it.. This is the Texas School Board all over again gezz.

    Palin is a politician, and she or her handlers SHOULD have know the consequences of using this term. And if they did know, then it was a deliberate anti-Semitic attack period. If they did not know, then they made a serious mistake and should own up to it... but nooo, instead they act like it was everyone else that made an error and try to run from responsibility... yet again. What ever happened to the Conservative motto of people are responsible for their own actions?

    But yet again, Conservatives like the communists and socialists of before 1991 and Muslims of today, flock together to defend her and try to divert attention away by either dismissing it off hand based on "I never heard about it" to out right attacking those that brought it up. Shame on you.

    Yet again a conservative gets a "get out jail free card" by the right on the issue of anti-Semitism. But then again Conservatives seem to get that card constantly on so many issues when their own get caught up in controversy.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Just because you had never heard of the term before and its anti-Semitic history, does not mean it did not exist before you heard it.. This is the Texas School Board all over again gezz.

    Palin is a politician, and she or her handlers SHOULD have know the consequences of using this term. And if they did know, then it was a deliberate anti-Semitic attack period. If they did not know, then they made a serious mistake and should own up to it... but nooo, instead they act like it was everyone else that made an error and try to run from responsibility... yet again. What ever happened to the Conservative motto of people are responsible for their own actions?

    But yet again, Conservatives like the communists and socialists of before 1991 and Muslims of today, flock together to defend her and try to divert attention away by either dismissing it off hand based on "I never heard about it" to out right attacking those that brought it up. Shame on you.

    Yet again a conservative gets a "get out jail free card" by the right on the issue of anti-Semitism. But then again Conservatives seem to get that card constantly on so many issues when their own get caught up in controversy.
    It has already been shown in this thread that the term 'blood libel' has come to have a more general meaning in modern English usage than the original meaning from the Middle Ages. So, while the use of the term is unfortunate (note: I am no fan of Sarah Palin as I have noted on these boards on numerous occasions), the reference was not incorrect from a modern English usage standpoint.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

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    What are your qualifications to make such a distinction and analysis of his mental disorder?

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It has already been shown in this thread that the term 'blood libel' has come to have a more general meaning in modern English usage than the original meaning from the Middle Ages. So, while the use of the term is unfortunate (note: I am no fan of Sarah Palin as I have noted on these boards on numerous occasions), the reference was not incorrect from a modern English usage standpoint.
    The term may have its origins in the middle ages, but the original meaning still reverberates today. The reference was a dog-whistle call to her faithful.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The term may have its origins in the middle ages, but the original meaning still reverberates today. The reference was a dog-whistle call to her faithful.
    Ahh, so in your opinion, a term's original meaning is still the proper one, no matter if it evolves into another common usage with a different definition ???

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It has already been shown in this thread that the term 'blood libel' has come to have a more general meaning in modern English usage than the original meaning from the Middle Ages. So, while the use of the term is unfortunate (note: I am no fan of Sarah Palin as I have noted on these boards on numerous occasions), the reference was not incorrect from a modern English usage standpoint.
    No, the only thing that has been shown is that the people who have never heard of the term now think they are experts in its usage and are defining it according to their political bias to mean whatever they want it to mean.
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