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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Think of it this way, if Conservatives and undeclared Conservatives pretending to be Independents can claim the word 'marriage' as being defined by "traditional" usage of the word, I'm quite sure Jews can claim the words 'blood libel'.
    The word "marriage" can be used by anyone, and no one group has claim to the word. If they do we'll certainly argue the case.

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Well said, Tucker. I couldn't agree any more.
    At the same time, though, it's important to be even-handed in the criticism. The people who are treating her like an accessory deserve just as much criticim for their rhetoric.

    And as far as the "blood libel" comment by Palin goes, big deal. I don't think it was the most appropraite term, and I think she is one of the worst offenders for using victimization rhetoric out there (which is something I've been criticising her for from well-before this shooting occurred), but it it's pretty much a "big deal" situation for me. Something to make a few jokes about, perhaps explan why it isn't the most appropraiate term (as compared to witch hunt) and continue talking about her penchant for victimization-mentality nonses (which, as I've said, I've been doing for quite some time no), but it isn't something to get all riled up about.

    Right now, I think the person most deserving of being attacked for his rhetoric is the sheriff who turned this whole thing into a political debate. If not for him, this discussion about rhetoric could have been had in a more appropraite venue, but now it's going to end up becoming exactly what it should be trying to fix.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    At the same time, though, it's important to be even-handed in the criticism. The people who are treating her like an accessory deserve just as much criticim for their rhetoric.

    And as far as the "blood libel" comment by Palin goes, big deal. I don't think it was the most appropraite term, and I think she is one of the worst offenders for using victimization rhetoric out there (which is something I've been criticising her for from well-before this shooting occurred), but it it's pretty much a "big deal" situation for me. Something to make a few jokes about, perhaps explan why it isn't the most appropraiate term (as compared to witch hunt) and continue talking about her penchant for victimization-mentality nonses (which, as I've said, I've been doing for quite some time no), but it isn't something to get all riled up about.

    Right now, I think the person most deserving of being attacked for his rhetoric is the sheriff who turned this whole thing into a political debate. If not for him, this discussion about rhetoric could have been had in a more appropraite venue, but now it's going to end up becoming exactly what it should be trying to fix.
    Now I am confused, I though you said Palin deserves whatever she gets, whether fair or not.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So unfairness becomes fair? How does that even make sense?
    Who said that unfairness becomes fair?

    I'm saying that unfairness doesn't automatically make someone a victim. Ultimately, the timing is unfair, but she could have prevented it altogether by not engaging in the tactics that she has over the past few years.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Now I am confused, I though you said Palin deserves whatever she gets, whether fair or not.
    Sorry. I haven't been very clear. My brain is failing this week.

    I'm saying she deserves criticism for her rhetoric. She doesn't deserve to be associated with the shootings.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Now I am confused, I though you said Palin deserves whatever she gets, whether fair or not.
    Since Palin is now receiving unfair blame for a huge tragedy that she had nothing to do with, maybe she could ask Muslims for advice about how they cope with the same problem.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Since Palin is now receiving unfair blame for a huge tragedy that she had nothing to do with, maybe she could ask Muslims for advice about how they cope with the same problem.
    Now that's funny.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Semantic bleaching encyclopedia topics | Reference.com



    Semantic bleaching seems to be another term Palin and you are making up definitions for.

    The best part is that in the other link you gave EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE FOR BLOOD LIBEL INVOLVES JEWS:



    Did you read your own link? Or are you trying to prove me correctly?
    You didn't read the rest of the link, did you?

    Contemporary blood libels
    Accusations of ritual murder are being advanced by different groups to this day. One stated that physicians in the People's Republic of China who perform abortions consider the fetus a delicacy and eat it. The story, reported from Hong Kong by Bruce Gilley, was investigated by Senator Jesse Helms, and gruesome artwork reminiscent of traditional depictions of blood libel was featured in several anti-abortion campaigns. Eventually the story was proven to be false.[12]

    Another contemporary blood libel in the United States alleged, falsely, that both neopagans and Satanists used human blood, sexual abuse, or ritual murder, especially of children, in their rituals. Often Satanism, all of the diverse neopagan religions, the role playing game Dungeons & Dragons, and sometimes Roman Catholicism and liberal or non-fundamentalist Christian denominations, are portrayed as expressions of one monolithic and ancient global conspiracy of Satan-worshipers.[13]

    Blood libel stories have appeared a number of times in the state-sponsored media of a number of Arab and Muslim nations, their television shows and websites. Books alleging occurrences of Jewish blood libel are not uncommon. The Matzah Of Zion was written by the Syrian Defense Minister, Mustafa Tlass in 1986. The book concentrates on two issues: renewed ritual murder accusations against the Jews in the Damascus affair of 1840, and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[14] Multiple branches of the Syrian government, including the Damascus Police Command and the Department of Antiquities and Museums, the security ministry, the culture ministry, created an anti-Semitic television TV series called Ash-Shatat ("The Diaspora".) This series originally aired in Syria and in Lebanon late 2003, and was broadcast by Al-Manar, a satellite television network owned by Hezbollah. This television series is based on the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, showing the Jewish people as engaging in a conspiracy to rule the world, and presents Jews as people who murder Christian children, drain their blood, and use this blood to bake matzah.[15]

    King Faisal of Saudi Arabia made accusations against Parisian Jews which took the nature of a blood libel.[16] In a twist on the libel of Jews using blood in matzah, a Passover food, in 2002, a Saudi newspaper [17] claimed that Jews use blood in homentashn, triangular cookies eaten on the Jewish holiday of Purim. The story celebrated on Purim, recounted in the Book of Esther, takes place in ancient Persia (modern-day Iran). A 2004 story from Iran speaks of Jewish doctors stealing organs of Palestinian children in Israeli hospitals.[18]

    It should be noted that some Arab writers have condemned these blood libels. The Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram published a series of articles by Osam Al-Baz, a senior advisor to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Amongst other things, Osam Al-Baz explained the origins of the anti-Jewish blood libel. He said that Arabs and Muslims have never been anti-Semitic, as a group, but accepted that a few Arab writers and media figures attack Jews "on the basis of the racist fallacies and myths that originated in Europe." He urged people not to succumb to "myths" such as the blood libel.[19]
    As for the term "semantic bleaching", it occurs in my linguistic textbooks as well as being used by linguist Deborah Tannen, also in the first site I linked...

    So, Hatuey. another on your part.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Who said that unfairness becomes fair?

    I'm saying that unfairness doesn't automatically make someone a victim. Ultimately, the timing is unfair, but she could have prevented it altogether by not engaging in the tactics that she has over the past few years.
    Which tactics, the so called violent rhetoric used by both sides?
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Since Palin is now receiving unfair blame for a huge tragedy that she had nothing to do with, maybe she could ask Muslims for advice about how they cope with the same problem.
    You're right, Islamic terrorism is not actually a problem.
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