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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    A Blood libel is an untrue antisemitic attack, yet she stupidly uses the term applied to herself.
    That's not strictly the definition of blood libel. Just like, "lynching", isn't strictly defined as, "hanging a black person".

    I was really hoping Palin wouldn't let herself get sucked into this cluster ****, but her use of blood libel isn't used incorrectly: she's being falsely attacked and accused of causing a crime.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'm kind of eagerly waiting for Wikipedia to crash due to all of the people (myself included) visiting the "Blood libel" page because they didn't know what it meant either.
    In an ironic twist of fate, the nation becomes just a small bit smarter due to something Sarah Palin said.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It makes sense if you change the definition. Blood libel refers to something very specific. I don't think it's anti-Semitic, nor do I think it was her intention to be inappropriate. I think she just used an incorrect term. What is the big deal? People make mistakes.
    Well, for one, there is no big deal. She used the term correctly. It has been used for not just in Jewish related conflicts even though that's at its origin. I should ask you why are the leftist bloggers and writers making it a big deal while at the same time, shooting themselves in the foot? I don't believe she used the term incorrectly but the opposite.

    I'll give you an example that i just read from law professor, Alan Dershowitz:

    "The term “blood libel” has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term."

    I can give you other examples of when this term was used in a broader base, if you like...

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by fbi10 View Post
    Well, for one, there is no big deal. She used the term correctly. It has been used for not just in Jewish related conflicts even though that's at its origin. I should ask you why are the leftist bloggers and writers making it a big deal while at the same time, shooting themselves in the foot? I don't believe she used the term incorrectly but the opposite.
    They are making a big deal out of it because she's an easy target and they don't like her. It's really not that much of a surprise. The partisan rhetoric goes back and forth from both sides. This is certainly nothing new.

    I'll give you an example that i just read from law professor, Alan Dershowitz:

    "The term “blood libel” has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term."

    I can give you other examples of when this term was used in a broader base, if you like...
    I don't think people would have made a big deal out of it if it were such a widely used term. Considering that the term has such a specific meaning, it seems unlikely to me that it was used in any sort of metaphorical sense. That's just my opinion, though. There were a bunch of other more appropriate and apt terms that she could have used. I don't think that a big deal should be made out of this. In my opinion she made a mistake, and we should all just move on.

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    But somwhow you didn't get around to knowing any Jewish people, did you?
    Dude, don't try that **** with me. If you look back, one of my FAVORITE WEBSITES, and I've posted it here, is JWR. Get out with that bs.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Man oh man....if the GOP doesn't select Sarah Palin as their candidate in 2012, I am going to be greatly dissapointed.
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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Man oh man....if the GOP doesn't select Sarah Palin as their candidate in 2012, I am going to be greatly dissapointed.
    i think that ship has sailed.

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    When you falsely accuse a religious minority of murder as an excuse to persecute them, that's blood libel. We do understand. She just made a mistake.
    No, apparently you don't.

    Yes, that was used originally when falsely accusing a religious minority but in modern times it's been used in a broader basis. The term wasn't invented to define what happened to the Jews; it’s just that what happened to Jews were "blood libels", and this term fits perfectly to what happened to Governor Palin.

    I'll list some examples:

    Andrew Cohen of CBS News, May 7, 2008: “So-called “judicial activism” occurs, in other words, when it’s your side that lost the case and it is nothing short of a BLOOD LIBEL against judges to accuse them of operating by fiat.”

    AP, July 28, 2008: “Just before Obama spoke, Newsday editor Les Payne had called “BLOOD LIBEL” the argument that African-American journalists could not objectively cover Obama’s candidacy.”

    Alex Beam in the Boston Globe, January 14, 2005, discussing the accusation that an official had used the “n-word” in meetings overseas: “My two anonymous sources were making charges that amounted to ‘BLOOD LIBEL’ against former colleagues; that raised the bar for ethical publication.”

    the term is more common then you think...

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think that ship has sailed.
    Plus, she has the option of continuing her show and making a boatload of cash. She could easily take that route and continue to chime in on political issues or even become a pundit at Fox News. She still has a lot of people devoted to her cause. That's what I would do, anyway.

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    Re: Sarah Palin accuses critics of "blood libel"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    They are making a big deal out of it because she's an easy target and they don't like her. It's really not that much of a surprise. The partisan rhetoric goes back and forth from both sides. This is certainly nothing new.



    I don't think people would have made a big deal out of it if it were such a widely used term. Considering that the term has such a specific meaning, it seems unlikely to me that it was used in any sort of metaphorical sense. That's just my opinion, though. There were a bunch of other more appropriate and apt terms that she could have used. I don't think that a big deal should be made out of this. In my opinion she made a mistake, and we should all just move on.
    I understand your opinion, that's fine, but the term has been used outside of Jewish conflicts. She could have used another phrase, of course, but it wasn't wrong of her to use it.

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