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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

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    Do think it is an inevitable move from this type of law to free speech zones? I'm curious how.
    Other than the fact there is no cages where Phelps is basically allowed to protest at how is this any different?
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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Other than the fact there is no cages where Phelps is basically allowed to protest at how is this any different?
    A free speech zone designates a (presumably small) area in which protests can occur. This law designates a very small area where protests can NOT occur. Do you think people should be able to march into the Oval Office to protest whenever they wish?

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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Free speech is not absolute. I can yell "fire" in an empty field. I can't do that in a crowded theater. I can't incite riots. I applaud the restraint shown by the families who have had their loved one's funerals protested. If they keep up like they do, some crazed person may turn a gun on the Phelps clan. We will all say that it's wrong, but we will all understand. Westboro is pushing the limits of "fighting words" IMO.
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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    I don't think the goverment should have got involved in this. Phelps and his clan are constitutionally allowed to protest and, even though I despise what they're all about, they have the freedom to be assholes. The solution to this, seeing as they always announce where they're going to protest, is for the local population to get together and try to find a way to keep them as far away from the funeral as possible. Kind of like the Patriot Guard Riders and Hells Angels often do.
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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    I've got to ask JR. The SC has ruled it is ok to have buffer zones at abortion clinics.
    "The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the restrictions against demonstrating within 36 feet of the clinic (to the extent that the 36-foot buffer did not include private property), making loud noises within earshot of the clinic, and making loud noises within 300 feet of an employee's residence. The Court rejected the prohibitions against displaying images, approaching patients within 300 feet of the clinic, and peacefully picketing within 300 feet of an employee's residence. In reaching its decision, the Court announced a new test for cases in which speech is prohibited by an injunction: The injunction will be upheld unless it burdens more speech than is necessary to serve a significant government interest.firstamendmentcenter.org: Welcome to the First Amendment Center Online.

    How is having a buffer zone around funerals any different? IMO, the AZ law is going to pass the review, if any.
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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    I think it's a bit ****ed up. I don't even see why we have to run to government for this problem, there were plans which would have handled it just as well without government interference. I'd rather not see a law of this nature come to the light of day. Right to protest should be upheld to the maximum possible. It's already restricted too much what with "free speech zones" and stuff like that. I think it's about time we learn to handle our own business without turning to government to solve the problem for us. More laws will just mean more abused laws.
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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i agree.....there has to be some other way to stop them.
    Fred Phelps is a greedy ambulance chasing lawyer. Phelps is one of the poster boys for why we need tort reform. Judging by this they run around pissing people off and then when these pissed off people violate their rights they sue and collect lawyer fees and other ****. Perhaps all those people who say tax the living hell out of the rich, limit CEO pays and bonuses. Perhaps they need to look at lawyers as well.



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    Fred Phelps Timeline | Southern Poverty Law Center
    1974
    Phelps files a $50-million class action suit against Sears after a local outlet is several days late delivering a television set. Litigation continues for six years and is eventually settled with Sears paying Phelps $126 about $60 less than Phelps' son originally paid for the TV, which he never receives.


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    1983
    Phelps files the first of three federal lawsuits against Washburn University Law School after three of his children are denied admission. The suit contends his children should be granted minority status, and thus benefit from affirmative action, because of their association with their father's "civil rights" legal work.

    A later suit switches the argument, alleging reverse discrimination because Phelps' children are white. All are dismissed in 1986.


    1984
    Phelps sues President Ronald Reagan for sending an ambassador to the Vatican, alleging violations of the constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion.


    1985
    Nine federal judges in Kansas sign a disciplinary complaint against Phelps, five of his children and a daughter-in-law, alleging the seven made false accusations against the judges.

    In a separate complaint, Phelps, still practicing in federal court, will be censured in 1987 for writing abusive letters this year to potential defendants threatening lawsuits if his demands were not met.


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    1993
    Shawnee County District Attorney Joan Hamilton begins to bring battery, assault and other charges including eight counts of criminal defamation against WBC members for a litany of alleged picket line abuses.

    After Phelps responds by filing the first of three suits against Hamilton alleging wrongful prosecution, a court invalidates the state defamation statute, enjoins further prosecution of WBC members in the cases, and awards $43,000 in legal fees to the church.

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    1997
    Claiming the city has not done enough to protect WBC picketers, Phelps threatens to sue Topeka if he is not paid $1 million. When the city demurs, Phelps sues for $7 million.





    1978
    In one of several civil rights cases filed by Phelps, an area school district pays almost $9,000 to Evelyn Rene Johnson (and over $10,000 in legal fees to Phelps) to settle a discrimination case.

    Another Phelps case results in a settlement for blacks who were illegally searched by police at a party.

    In 1986 and 1987, Phelps will receive three awards for his civil rights cases, including one bestowed by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is a blatant violation of the constitution and they know it but yet they enacted it anyways because they know it will be some time before a judge will overturn it. How is this any better than libs ****tig on the constitution in DC,Chicago or some other place to ban or severely restrict firearms because they know it will be some time before it gets overturned. Not only is this a blatant violation of the constitution but a blatant misuse of the courts.



    This bill says when and how far they can protest based on the hate Speech of Phelps. This is simply nothing more than a baby step towards banning other speech deemed hateful.




    Because you open the door for other "limits".
    As much as I hate Westboro, I have to agree with jamesrage on principle. I'd like to see them get arrested for breaking some existing law.
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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

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    I've got to ask JR. The SC has ruled it is ok to have buffer zones at abortion clinics.
    "The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the restrictions against demonstrating within 36 feet of the clinic (to the extent that the 36-foot buffer did not include private property), making loud noises within earshot of the clinic, and making loud noises within 300 feet of an employee's residence. The Court rejected the prohibitions against displaying images, approaching patients within 300 feet of the clinic, and peacefully picketing within 300 feet of an employee's residence. In reaching its decision, the Court announced a new test for cases in which speech is prohibited by an injunction: The injunction will be upheld unless it burdens more speech than is necessary to serve a significant government interest.firstamendmentcenter.org: Welcome to the First Amendment Center Online.

    How is having a buffer zone around funerals any different? IMO, the AZ law is going to pass the review, if any.
    As long as the protesters are not trespassing on private property,blocking entrances to parking lots or building entrance then there should be no buffer zone.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I can't do that in a crowded theater. I can't incite riots.
    That's not because we can carte blanche limit the free exercise of rights, it's that in one's exercise of rights they may not infringe upon the rights of others. Shouting fire in a crowded theater creates a panic which directly leads to people getting hurt, as does inciting a riot (though in all honesty, I find the last one a bit questionable, since there could be times when it is necessary to incite to riot). Since these actions directly and innately infringe on the rights of others, they are limited. Standing on the street corner yelling "god hates fags" does not infringe upon the rights of anyone else.
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