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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    -- It just basically saying you can't get in my face to spout off --
    I don't think it is just this - though at first glance, a 300 meter separation seems to answer that. It is an infringement which can be used another time in another space as a precedent and limitation will have been set.

    There were other ways to solve this problem - including public campaigns to block the funeral viewer's view of the Phelps clan or allowing counter protest. The action has been taken with the right spirit (making sure a funeral is held in peace) but is the wrong tool to acheive this.

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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Absolutely agree, couldn't have put it better myself, mate.

    By "to hell with the constitution" I take it he meant "lets change the constitution", not "lets make a law in violation of the constitution anyway". Could be wrong, meh, doesn't really matter.

    I'm very against any measures to limit the speech of Phelps and his church. I agree with him more than anyone, heck, I'm an Atheist, but that doesn't mean he can't speak.

    Free speech is not free unless offensive speech is protected
    How is it limiting Phelps speech by moving them back aways? They can still spout off. No one is saying they can't say what they want to say.
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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There are limits to how much the Constitution will protect a persons right to free speech and to assemble peaceably to protest. This is one of the few things that should be protected against such reprehensible behavior.
    Then petition your elected officials to make a constitutional amendments to ban protests at funerals. It may take years or decades but the last thing you do not do is knowingly subvert the constitution because of the fact you know it make take someone months or years to get that unconstitutional law removed. This is no better than what the anti-2nd amendment loons in liberal states do.

    This 9 year old girl had done nothing in her very short life to warrant the Phelps clans intrusion into her funeral. The ONLY reason that they are doing so is to push an agenda on others. Its not even about the girl. It's about the "fame" it will bring them. As far as I am concerned those people are no better than any extremist muslim that shouts "DEATH TO AMERICA" as he flips the switch to blow himself up. Wait no...there is a difference. At least with the muslim terrorist we will no longer have to hear his crap again.

    You can call me out on how wrong I am and you can even call me anti-american all you want. It won't bother me in the slightest. Because in this one case... I. Don't. Care.
    The only reason Phelps is doing this is to sue the first chance he gets

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    Fred Phelps Timeline | Southern Poverty Law Center
    1974
    Phelps files a $50-million class action suit against Sears after a local outlet is several days late delivering a television set. Litigation continues for six years and is eventually settled with Sears paying Phelps $126 about $60 less than Phelps' son originally paid for the TV, which he never receives.


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    1983
    Phelps files the first of three federal lawsuits against Washburn University Law School after three of his children are denied admission. The suit contends his children should be granted minority status, and thus benefit from affirmative action, because of their association with their father's "civil rights" legal work.

    A later suit switches the argument, alleging reverse discrimination because Phelps' children are white. All are dismissed in 1986.


    1984
    Phelps sues President Ronald Reagan for sending an ambassador to the Vatican, alleging violations of the constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion.


    1985
    Nine federal judges in Kansas sign a disciplinary complaint against Phelps, five of his children and a daughter-in-law, alleging the seven made false accusations against the judges.

    In a separate complaint, Phelps, still practicing in federal court, will be censured in 1987 for writing abusive letters this year to potential defendants threatening lawsuits if his demands were not met.


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    1993
    Shawnee County District Attorney Joan Hamilton begins to bring battery, assault and other charges including eight counts of criminal defamation against WBC members for a litany of alleged picket line abuses.

    After Phelps responds by filing the first of three suits against Hamilton alleging wrongful prosecution, a court invalidates the state defamation statute, enjoins further prosecution of WBC members in the cases, and awards $43,000 in legal fees to the church.

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    1997
    Claiming the city has not done enough to protect WBC picketers, Phelps threatens to sue Topeka if he is not paid $1 million. When the city demurs, Phelps sues for $7 million.





    1978
    In one of several civil rights cases filed by Phelps, an area school district pays almost $9,000 to Evelyn Rene Johnson (and over $10,000 in legal fees to Phelps) to settle a discrimination case.

    Another Phelps case results in a settlement for blacks who were illegally searched by police at a party.

    In 1986 and 1987, Phelps will receive three awards for his civil rights cases, including one bestowed by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    By "to hell with the constitution" I take it he meant "lets change the constitution", not "lets make a law in violation of the constitution anyway". Could be wrong, meh, doesn't really matter.
    He is part of the crowd that spews the lie that the "constitution is a living breathing document" in order to blatantly misinterpret it so they can add,remove or severely restrict rights. They do not believe in going through the amendment process to change the constitution.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    I really don't think keeping protestors 300 ft. away from a funeral is going to open the door to anything. It's a pretty specific circumstance, with good justifications, and strikes an appropriate balance between the interests of the protesters, who can choose many other avenues to voice their opinions, and the grieving family, which cannot.

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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    These fools come to my funeral and I’ll fly up their noses and spin around in their tinny brains for a couple of years.

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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Hasn't Holder rushed to court to get the law blocked yet?

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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    I really don't think keeping protestors 300 ft. away from a funeral is going to open the door to anything. It's a pretty specific circumstance, with good justifications, and strikes an appropriate balance between the interests of the protesters, who can choose many other avenues to voice their opinions, and the grieving family, which cannot.
    So you support free speech zones?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you support free speech zones?
    Do think it is an inevitable move from this type of law to free speech zones? I'm curious how.

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    Re: Arizona legislature passes bill limiting funeral protests

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yeah its ****ed up that assholes want to protest at this little girl's funeral but the government state or federal should not be passing unconstitutional laws.
    i agree.....there has to be some other way to stop them.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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