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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. All of congress. Republicans didn't just sit there and do nothing. They contributed not only to votes, but to the fear mongering and misinformation. All of congress shares blame.
    You mean that the Republicans misinformed the Democratic majority in both Houses? And made them afraid?

    Maybe you judge the Democrats too harshly.

    But only just.

    Whether they, republicans, should or should not support Obama's promises is neither here nor there. the fact is they are part of the road block and should not be ignored to futher a political point, or in this case, a misrepresentation. Obama is, factually, working to keep his promise and has been.
    It is not up to the Republican Party to honor the campaign promises of B. Obama. How could they be much pf a 'road block' when they were in the minority? By signing that agreement under discussion it seems he is actively not working at keeping his promise. Or is that just a smokescreen?

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ...The need to preserve the republic supersedes the measures Obama would have to employ to keep his promise (dissolving Congress and assuming legislative control), so he is excused from breaking his word.
    Obama could release the detainees to Yemen and close Gitmo. Nothing more is required. Obama would take political heat, but he would be able to honor his solemn promise. There would be no dissolution of the Republic. And there is absolutely no excuse for Obama breaking his word, and there is no excuse for Obama apologists when he does break his word.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Does the president really disagree with me? Or is that you once again not taking everything in to consideration.

    And no one said Gitmo was cool. I still wanted it closed. but do I ignore congress and pretend they ahve not put up road blocks? Only the partisan woudl do that.




    Wait... So a d house a d senate and obMa can close gitmo. Me pointing out how silent you all are on it makes me the partisan?

    What are you smoking hero.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what should obama have done here? what choice did he have? please be specific in your answer.
    He could have vetoed the bill.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    So now we have the mindless partisan rhetoric that career politicians...people that were in congress and access to intel throughout the Clinton admin were suddenly 'hoodwinked' by Bush. That even though records PROVE leading democrats attending briefings not only involving the existence of GITMO but of the interrogation tacts used there, that later they can claim "golly...we never knew..." and their minions just lap it up. That the current president is smartt enough to recognize that playing with terrorists mean you have to treat them differently and has not only reversed his initial opinion about giving terrorists consitutional rights but has opened a black-ops GITMO at Bagram...

    and the faithful liberals STILL blame Bush.

    Lets grant that assertion. That equals ONE thing. There are some ****ing STUPID democrats in congress.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Boo, if you walk in on a rape in progress and then stay..... You are no hetter than the rapist....


    Thats the logic you want me to accept.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Boo, if you walk in on a rape in progress and then stay..... You are no hetter than the rapist....


    Thats the logic you want me to accept.
    Only an idiot would think that is my logic.

    this isn't equal to rape and the president is not a king or a dictator. He can't act alone, without congress. it is dishonest to make the comparison you just tried to make.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only an idiot would think that is my logic.
    My my my.... Testy today, boo? Did I hit a nerve?


    this isn't equal to rape and the president is not a king or a dictator. He can't act alone, without congress. it is dishonest to make the comparison you just tried to make.
    Executive order.


    Calling me dishonest just makes you look desparate in your attempts to shield your man from critisizm.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You mean that the Republicans misinformed the Democratic majority in both Houses? And made them afraid?

    Maybe you judge the Democrats too harshly.

    But only just.


    It is not up to the Republican Party to honor the campaign promises of B. Obama. How could they be much pf a 'road block' when they were in the minority? By signing that agreement under discussion it seems he is actively not working at keeping his promise. Or is that just a smokescreen?
    No. While not quite as dishoenst as Rev, we all know that public opinion weighs on congress critters, of all parties, and that scaring the public scares copngressmen.

    And no one said the republican party had to honor Obama's promises. but that doesn't mean they don't factor into what has happened. They are part of the forces that are blocking efforts. You can't divoce them from that. You may promise to win a race. I don't want you to win, so I tie your feet together. I can't then say I'm not resonsibile because I didn't promise you'd win the race. I still tied you up.

    The fact is congress, bot democrats and republicna, have been a hinderence. That is simply fact. And you can't remove their role in this.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. While not quite as dishoenst as Rev, we all know that public opinion weighs on congress critters, of all parties, and that scaring the public scares copngressmen.

    The only "dishonest" one here is you hero. You give your guy a pass for continuing the policies of the previous admisitration which you believe should be held for war crimes....

    there is a thread asking what is a "partisan hack"..... I'll just leave it as that.



    And no one said the republican party had to honor Obama's promises. but that doesn't mean they don't factor into what has happened. They are part of the forces that are blocking efforts. You can't divoce them from that. You may promise to win a race. I don't want you to win, so I tie your feet together. I can't then say I'm not resonsibile because I didn't promise you'd win the race. I still tied you up.

    The fact is congress, bot democrats and republicna, have been a hinderence. That is simply fact. And you can't remove their role in this.



    But we have to make excuses for Obama continuing the policies of the man you hate.....
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