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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Who here honestly thought he was actually going to do this? Honestly
    Bush warned Hillary and Barack not to make promises on the campaign trail they couldn't keep in office.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    When he was running for president Barack Obama promised over and over and over again that he would close Gitmo, stop renditions, get rid of warrantless wiretaps and the Patriot Act, and stop torture. Instead of capturing prisoners Obama is killing them at night with pilotless drones.

    He hasn't kept a single one of those promises. He's a liar. He made those promises without the intent of ever keeping them. We now see Obama signing legislation that makes it impossible for him to keep his promise. People who voted for him should be ashamed.
    All politicians are liars. Also I am not suprised. Obama does not have the heart to fight for anything, it seems.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    All politicians are liars. Also I am not suprised. Obama does not have the heart to fight for anything, it seems.
    Hope and Change. A new kind of Washington. Transparency. Blah, blah, blah.

    This is the most corrupt band of thieves ever to walk the halls in the White House.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what should obama have done here? what choice did he have? please be specific in your answer.
    Nothing! 441 - 38 is veto proof.. What it does do though is end the honeymoon. Not that the brides were feeling all tingly anymore anyway.. I wonder if Mathews is still feeling that tingle up his leg?


    Regardless of the president empty promise, closing Gitmo was never a reality, and he knew it. The reactions of some of the more enlightened here, lead me to believe that not everyone in the Obama house was truly cognizant of this reality..


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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bush warned Hillary and Barack not to make promises on the campaign trail they couldn't keep in office.
    Pot warning the kettle not to get too hot, huh?

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I watched Olbermann and Maddow go ape-**** when it wasn't closed the first time it was discussed after Obama was elected.
    Thats because Olbermann and Maddow pretend to play the game that they are actually for change in our foreign policy and rolling back the national security state when in reality they're full of ****. It was pretty obvious even before the primaries were over that Obama had no interest in changing any of those areas. At least the right admits it loves the security state along with its thugs by saying "If you didnt do anything wrong than you have nothing to worry"

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    i think a lot of the people who voted for him did
    When I say here Im referring to this forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bush warned Hillary and Barack not to make promises on the campaign trail they couldn't keep in office.
    Bush bleeds red and Hillary and Barack bleed blue, what reason do Hillary and Barack have to listen to Bush and vice versa.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Thats because Olbermann and Maddow pretend to play the game that they are actually for change in our foreign policy and rolling back the national security state when in reality they're full of ****. It was pretty obvious even before the primaries were over that Obama had no interest in changing any of those areas. At least the right admits it loves the security state along with its thugs by saying "If you didnt do anything wrong than you have nothing to worry"



    When I say here Im referring to this forum.



    Bush bleeds red and Hillary and Barack bleed blue, what reason do Hillary and Barack have to listen to Bush and vice versa.
    I asked you earlier:

    Would you say he acted completely on hsi own here, or that opposition pushed him to do things differently than he wanted?

    Afterward, the discussion seems to have moved to making promises he can't keep. Seems to me to be a political pit fall, maybe even an unavoidable one, unless you don't want a candiadte to say anything. However, isn't there a difference between being unable to keep a promise and never intenting to even try?

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    just some objective observations for those that supported obama and his rhetoric. right now you're sounding as dumb as the conservatives that expect the new congress to balance the budget. when we can admit that neither candidate was gonna do what we hoped they'd do, then we can start to look for candidates that won't lie, and will protect american values. until then you're inviting them to lie to us more and commit their war crimes, and steal our property.

    this is about as annoying as going to a bar and dealing with the drunks while you're sober...
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    just some objective observations for those that supported obama and his rhetoric. right now you're sounding as dumb as the conservatives that expect the new congress to balance the budget. when we can admit that neither candidate was gonna do what we hoped they'd do, then we can start to look for candidates that won't lie, and will protect american values. until then you're inviting them to lie to us more and commit their war crimes, and steal our property.

    this is about as annoying as going to a bar and dealing with the drunks while you're sober...
    Why would anyone think any president can keep promises? They're not Kings. The best they can promise is that they will try, but they need congress. I have been trying to make this point.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why would anyone think any president can keep promises?
    not exactly a ringing recommendation for democracy.
    Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep willing to contest the vote.

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