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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You need them for the same reason you need the soldiers out there doing the job they are doing. Because there are evil ****s out there that dont play by the rules and will kill as many people as they can in the name of their glorious cause. And I dont see too many gentle folks in this country rushing over to try to 'reason' with them. I guess those folks recognize that twisted ****s that rape and behead 12 year old schoolgirls in India in the glorious name of Jihad might not be receptive. Far better to take that little impotent moral superiority stance...slap on another COEXIST bumper sticker...and leave the heavy lifting to the big kids. Until you are part of a better solution...you arent even a part of the equation.
    But we play by the rules or else what is the point? We have all of these people in custody around the world with proof of their guilt (apparently). Why, then, can we not try them?
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    But we play by the rules or else what is the point? We have all of these people in custody around the world with proof of their guilt (apparently). Why, then, can we not try them?
    Because we didnt have cute little agents in sterile suits collecting evidence, mirandizing them, and getting warrants. They arent American felons they are suspected of being war criminals. They should have military tribunals. Obama has seen the light of reality over rhetoric. Probably a bi-product of actually having to DEAL with reality rather than bleat on about an ideology.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Since half the inmates have been found not to be a threat, but none of their countries will take them back, and most of any evidence against the rest is inadmissible in a civilian court, President Obama has very few options.
    Their own countries won't have them back. Why is that, you think? What should we do with them?
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Thus either the evidence could not be disclosed without revealing classified material or it would be inadmissible under the evidentiary rules at the heart of traditional Anglo-American jurisprudence. The first problem could be remedied with closed court sessions, as it has been many times in the past. As for the second, why would evidence against a prisoner be inadmissible? Among the likely reasons is that it was obtained by torture inflicted by the CIA or one of the CIA’s outsourced torturers under the program known as “extraordinary rendition.”

    Traditionally in the United States, when the government cannot bear its burden of proof before a court, it must set a suspect free. But the so-called “war on terror” changed all that for people arbitrarily branded terrorist suspects or enemy combatants. Carrying on the policy established by Bush, the Obama administration takes the position that someone felt to be a threat to national security can be denied a trial and held prisoner indefinitely. Nothing is more un-American.

    Naturally, Republican hawks love Obama’s order. Rep. Peter T. King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, who held hearings on domestic Islamic radicalism, praised him for ratifying Bush’s policy: “I commend the Obama Administration for issuing this Executive Order. The bottom line is that it affirms the Bush Administration policy that our government has the right to detain dangerous terrorists until the cessation of hostilities.”

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Wouldn't it be nice if multiple rules weren't pushed through in the same bill and we got to actually debate and vote on each separate action?

    ""Despite my strong objection to these provisions, which my administration has consistently opposed, I have signed this act because of the importance of authorizing appropriations for, among other things, our military activities in 2011," Obama said in a statement."

    So, he couldn't veto this bill because so many other things were wrapped up in it. The discussion of whether or not torture is moral and constitutional has been downgraded to being pork in a budget bill.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    in may of two thousand NINE, obama's request for funds to close gitmo was SLAMMED by exactly NINETY senators of the us, including FIFTY dems

    Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure

    such as---john KERRY, barbara BOXER, diane DIFI, combat boots WEBB, one armed daniel INOUYE the venerable and all powerful CHAIR of senate APPROPRIATIONS, miserable claire MCCASKILL, bobby kkk BYRD, socialist bernie SANDERS, ultra progressive health care warrior ron WYDEN, his public-option pushing partner jay ROCKEFELLER (who, by the way, wants to emascualte the epa)...

    why did FIFTY dems DENY?

    obama doesn't know what he's doing

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    But....but....doesn't this mean the 'international community' will be critical of the United States???

    Oh, my!!

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    meanwhile, 858 americans have been martyred in the mountains on the moon, OBAMA'S WAR, in the two years since he assumed, 60% of all united states casualties in this now LONGEST war in american history---for what?

    60% of U.S. Military Deaths in Afghanistan Have Occurred Since Obama Was Inaugurated in 2009 | CNSnews.com

    iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Should I now be thanking the previous WH Republicans for the mess we are in ?

    Close it and we are damned and leave it open we are damned, Thanks Mr President!
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