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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    instead of keep people imprisoned for years without charging them or granting them access to any sort of legal counsel, we could always use direct, conclusive evidence to get a conviction and then sentence them accordingly.

    shouldn't be that hard should it?
    Right. Darn it...were all those evidence bags and strips of yellow tape in a combat zone when you need them.

    Do you people have any concept of where these people are captured and under what circumstances? Geezus...if only Horatio Caine was leading the war effort, his CSI guys would be able to present things all nice and clean...

    Obama got the picture pretty quick. He went from "these people deserve protection under the constitution and Im closing GITMO" to...ummm...no...they dont and we are building up a black ops prison at Bahgram (where are those weeping wailing liberal voices???). Someone here earlier said the Presidency is no place for on-the-job training. Well...yeah...it is...because until someone is there they dont really get it. Obama does now.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Since half the inmates have been found not to be a threat, but none of their countries will take them back, and most of any evidence against the rest is inadmissible in a civilian court, President Obama has very few options.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Since half the inmates have been found not to be a threat, but none of their countries will take them back, and most of any evidence against the rest is inadmissible in a civilian court, President Obama has very few options.
    Send them back to their country. If they arent a threat, no harm...right?

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right. Darn it...were all those evidence bags and strips of yellow tape in a combat zone when you need them.

    Do you people have any concept of where these people are captured and under what circumstances? Geezus...if only Horatio Caine was leading the war effort, his CSI guys would be able to present things all nice and clean...

    Obama got the picture pretty quick. He went from "these people deserve protection under the constitution and Im closing GITMO" to...ummm...no...they dont and we are building up a black ops prison at Bahgram (where are those weeping wailing liberal voices???). Someone here earlier said the Presidency is no place for on-the-job training. Well...yeah...it is...because until someone is there they dont really get it. Obama does now.
    They weren't all "picked up on the battle field". We did offer bounties on "terrorists", people did claim said bounties. There was no investigation to see if alligations were true or not.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They weren't all "picked up on the battle field". We did offer bounties on "terrorists", people did claim said bounties. There was no investigation to see if alligations were true or not.
    People that were picked up were interviewed, interviewed again, and interviewed yet again. The only people sent to Guantanimo Bay are the ones that were believed to have been of real intel value. You know...like the ones we are still picking up these days and sending to Bagram. And yet...the sounds of crickets chirping...

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Half the Guantanamo inmates have been cleared for release... chirp chirp.....
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    People that were picked up were interviewed, interviewed again, and interviewed yet again. The only people sent to Guantanimo Bay are the ones that were believed to have been of real intel value. You know...like the ones we are still picking up these days and sending to Bagram. And yet...the sounds of crickets chirping...
    Yeah...they were "interviewed". I'm sure it was fair and impartial and built only on information gathering. I mean, the government wouldn't lie to us to cover up their misdeeds, right?

    There are more Bagram's out there than we care to admit, but until we can know about it and control the government, they will persist. Why do we need secret prisons? How do we have the authority to arrest citizens of other countries in other countries and hold them in jails in various places around the world? Where did that power come from? Because we call someone a "terrorist"? Please, government is not acting properly right now and it's going to bite us in the ass; it always does.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Since half the inmates have been found not to be a threat, but none of their countries will take them back, and most of any evidence against the rest is inadmissible in a civilian court, President Obama has very few options.
    He seemed to have quite a few options during the election campaign.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Half the Guantanamo inmates have been cleared for release... chirp chirp.....
    BELIEVED to be of intel value. Who is chirping? Ive given the solution several times. Send the poor dears back to their home country. Or Afghanistan. Or hell...let em move in with you.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah...they were "interviewed". I'm sure it was fair and impartial and built only on information gathering. I mean, the government wouldn't lie to us to cover up their misdeeds, right?

    There are more Bagram's out there than we care to admit, but until we can know about it and control the government, they will persist. Why do we need secret prisons? How do we have the authority to arrest citizens of other countries in other countries and hold them in jails in various places around the world? Where did that power come from? Because we call someone a "terrorist"? Please, government is not acting properly right now and it's going to bite us in the ass; it always does.
    You need them for the same reason you need the soldiers out there doing the job they are doing. Because there are evil ****s out there that dont play by the rules and will kill as many people as they can in the name of their glorious cause. And I dont see too many gentle folks in this country rushing over to try to 'reason' with them. I guess those folks recognize that twisted ****s that rape and behead 12 year old schoolgirls in India in the glorious name of Jihad might not be receptive. Far better to take that little impotent moral superiority stance...slap on another COEXIST bumper sticker...and leave the heavy lifting to the big kids. Until you are part of a better solution...you arent even a part of the equation.

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