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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    today, monday, march 7:
    President Obama on Monday ordered trials by military commission to resume at Guantánamo Bay.

    The move signals another defeat for Obama, who pledged to close the terrorist detention facility in Cuba within one year of taking office.

    In a fact sheet, the White House said Obama “remains committed” to closing the facility, but the president’s decision to lift the ban on military commissions signals the unlikelihood that Obama will successfully transfer all of the prisoners in Cuba.

    Shortly after Obama came to office and announced his goal of closing the facility, the administration suspended new charges in military commissions in Cuba.

    But on Monday, Obama directed Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to “issue an order rescinding his prior suspension on the swearing and referring of new charges in the military commissions.”

    Obama to resume military commission trials for Guantánamo detainees - TheHill.com

    embarrassed yet?
    what a colossal **** up this President is.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    not embarrassed
    you may not be

    but he sure is

    embarrassed, that is

    NINETY united states senators slammed close his closure because his inept ag couldn't answer their simple how's, when's and where's

    Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure

    barack hussein obama doesn't know what he's doing

    sorry

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    America Held Hostage--Day 776

    Gitmo still Open....Obama Policies Creating More Terrorists.....Liberal Outrage MIA--presumed to be in Hypocritical condition....thought to be hiding out with Democrat War Outrage.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He could have vetoed the bill.
    um....wasn't it veto proof?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    um....wasn't it veto proof?
    Veto proof? I thought the USA President could always veto a bill. The legislature could then override his veto, if they had the votes. What makes a bill veto proof?

    Am I mistaken on this aspect of the USA federal system?

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Veto proof? I thought the USA President could always veto a bill. The legislature could then override his veto, if they had the votes. What makes a bill veto proof?

    Am I mistaken on this aspect of the USA federal system?

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    Regular veto
    When Congress is in session, the president may, within the 10-day period, exercise a regular veto by sending the unsigned bill back to the chamber of Congress from which it originated along with a veto message stating his reasons for rejecting it. Currently, the president must veto the bill in its entirety. He may not veto individual provisions of the bill while approving others. Rejecting individual provisions of a bill is called a "line-item" veto. In 1996, Congress passed a law granting President Clinton the power to issue line-item vetoes, only to have the Supreme Court declare it unconstitutional in 1998.

    Bill becomes law without president's signature
    When Congress is not adjourned, and the president fails to either sign or veto a bill sent to him by the end of the 10-day period, it becomes law without his signature.

    The pocket veto
    When Congress is adjourned, the president can reject a bill by simply refusing to sign it. This action is known as a "pocket veto," coming from the analogy of the president simply putting the bill in his pocket and forgetting about it. Unlike a regular veto, Congress has neither the opportunity or constitutional authority to override a pocket veto.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Regular veto
    When Congress is in session, the president may, within the 10-day period, exercise a regular veto by sending the unsigned bill back to the chamber of Congress from which it originated along with a veto message stating his reasons for rejecting it. Currently, the president must veto the bill in its entirety. He may not veto individual provisions of the bill while approving others. Rejecting individual provisions of a bill is called a "line-item" veto. In 1996, Congress passed a law granting President Clinton the power to issue line-item vetoes, only to have the Supreme Court declare it unconstitutional in 1998.

    Bill becomes law without president's signature
    When Congress is not adjourned, and the president fails to either sign or veto a bill sent to him by the end of the 10-day period, it becomes law without his signature.

    The pocket veto
    When Congress is adjourned, the president can reject a bill by simply refusing to sign it. This action is known as a "pocket veto," coming from the analogy of the president simply putting the bill in his pocket and forgetting about it. Unlike a regular veto, Congress has neither the opportunity or constitutional authority to override a pocket veto.
    I am aware of that but I don't see anything about a bill being veto proof. Liblady said the bill was veto proof.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    what a colossal **** up this President is.
    What a waste of 2 years. For those that actually feel sorry for the detainees (of which I am not one), that's two more years of pre-trial detention for no good reason.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    There is another thread on this forum which asks when the US fell from greatness. I said, of course, when the country began allowing itself to be run by corporations. I must add to the list:

    While I suppose this nation was never fully a moral one (with the whole slavery issue and what not), at least we kept up with the rest of the world's morality. We don't even do that anymore.

    There is no reason that we are not able to try these people and imprison them when they are found guilty. There is no reason we cannot stop torturing. There is no reason that we need extraordinary rendition.

    Obama has failed to end all of these things and I am greatly disappointed because of it. It sickens me that any of you can support torture, rendition, or jailing without trial.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I'm sad to see he probably wont be fulfilling this particular promise, but in all honesty I never expected it to be a realistic goal.

    I was hoping it could be done and might pave the way to better relations with Cuba and a lifting of the ridiculous embargo.
    You know what a PROMISE is when made with no expectations of keeping it? A LIE.

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