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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I suspect a ton. The NY Times and MSNBC certainly did.
    To the untrained eye and the more gullible maybe but in reality no.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    To the untrained eye and the more gullible maybe but in reality no.
    I watched Olbermann and Maddow go ape-**** when it wasn't closed the first time it was discussed after Obama was elected.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Who here honestly thought he was actually going to do this? Honestly
    i think a lot of the people who voted for him did

    after all, he promised em so many times, it was a pretty big part of his campaign

    and they just loathed w-stands-for-what's-his-name for his use of the extraterritorial detention

    obama doesn't know what he's doing

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Who here honestly thought he was actually going to do this? Honestly
    Would you say he acted completely on hsi own here, or that opposition pushed him to do things differently than he wanted?

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    By the way, Prof, is Holder ever going to make a decision KSM?
    that decision was made for him, 441 to 38

    Language contained in the 2011 National Defense Authorization Act passed by the House and Senate on Wednesday bars the use of Pentagon funds to transfer any Guantanamo prisoner to the U.S. for any reason, including a trial.
    Barack Obama?s plan to close Gitmo 'in shambles' - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    This is not particularly surprising, but it is disappointing. I've said so many times:
    I voted for change and I got Bush III.

    Oh wait, wasn't Obama supposed to be a radical leftist?
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    When he was running for president Barack Obama promised over and over and over again that he would close Gitmo, stop renditions, get rid of warrantless wiretaps and the Patriot Act, and stop torture. Instead of capturing prisoners Obama is killing them at night with pilotless drones.

    He hasn't kept a single one of those promises. He's a liar. He made those promises without the intent of ever keeping them. We now see Obama signing legislation that makes it impossible for him to keep his promise. People who voted for him should be ashamed.
    what should obama have done here? what choice did he have? please be specific in your answer.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Who here honestly thought he was actually going to do this? Honestly
    As I said, realistically I didnt think it would happen but it did contribute to my voting for him because I though he would at least try and he seems to have at least made attempts in that direction. For me, setting a high goal, trying for it, and failing is better than playing it safe and it shows political will.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what should obama have done here? what choice did he have? please be specific in your answer.
    Obama could have refused to sign the legislation that renewed the Patriot Act without change. He didn't. He just signed and renewed the Patriot Act. And I am the only one who noticed apparently.

    Obama could have refused to reactivate the rendition program that sends detainees to Egypt and Jordan for torture. Obama outsourced torture.

    Obama is the only person who can stop the drone war against Pakistani civilians. He should stop it period. Stop the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    As I said, realistically I didnt think it would happen but it did contribute to my voting for him because I though he would at least try and he seems to have at least made attempts in that direction. For me, setting a high goal, trying for it, and failing is better than playing it safe and it shows political will.
    Do not kid yourself. He never had the slightest intention. Just telling you what you wanted to hear. Thats what Obama do.

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