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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    LOL!

    the PRESIDENT already answered you

    Yesterday, Obama said he would halt for now transfers of Guantanamo inmates to Yemen as more details emerged of how a suspect accused of trying to blow up a Detroit-bound Northwest Airlines flight on Dec. 25 received training and support in the country.

    “There is an ongoing security situation which we have been confronting for some time” in Yemen, Obama said yesterday after meeting with intelligence officials to discuss how the U.S. failed to bar bombing suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab from the flight.

    “We will not be transferring additional detainees back to Yemen at this time,” the president said yesterday.

    White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters today that the administration stopped the transfers because of the “swift change in the security environment” in Yemen “over the last few weeks.” Gibbs said he was unaware of the 20 percent [of released detainees who have returned to combat] and how, if at all, it factored into the decision.
    More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say (Update2) - Bloomberg

    yet you look to ME to clear things up

    LOL!

    what an idiot

    obama, i mean

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    What is the solution to Gitmo? As I have said, I see nothing wrong with disagreeing with the practice, yet reality suggests it is a necessary facility. If we bring them in-country, then they are to be tried, yet evidence against them threatens national security. If you return them, then they rejoin the fight. And what could Bush have even done differently? When captured, where should we have kept the prisoners?

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

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    LOL!

    the PRESIDENT already answered you



    More Ex-Detainees Resort to Terror, Officials Say (Update2) - Bloomberg

    yet you look to ME to clear things up

    LOL!

    what an idiot

    obama, i mean
    he doesn't answer me all. And neither do you. I'll continue to wait for you to actually answer.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    What is the solution to Gitmo? As I have said, I see nothing wrong with disagreeing with the practice, yet reality suggests it is a necessary facility. If we bring them in-country, then they are to be tried, yet evidence against them threatens national security. If you return them, then they rejoin the fight. And what could Bush have even done differently? When captured, where should we have kept the prisoners?
    I don't believe that. I really don't. Many a tyrant has used that argument to wrongly hold people. The larger problem is that Bush violated the law so much with them, that those violations may cause a problem. But I suspect we could adjust if we had the will to do so.

    And whether some (a small percentage on the whole) rejoin or whether they join for the first time (not really having been a part of it to begin with) is debatable. It is quite possible this Gitmo effort has added to the numbers overall. The truth is we really don't knwo for sure.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

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    I don't believe that. I really don't. Many a tyrant has used that argument to wrongly hold people. The larger problem is that Bush violated the law so much with them, that those violations may cause a problem. But I suspect we could adjust if we had the will to do so.

    And whether some (a small percentage on the whole) rejoin or whether they join for the first time (not really having been a part of it to begin with) is debatable. It is quite possible this Gitmo effort has added to the numbers overall. The truth is we really don't knwo for sure.
    No we don't know, and yes the situation was greatly mishandled. I could name a million different mistakes on the part of the Bush administration in Iraq and Afghanistan. However, this does nothing to alter the present reality of the situation. Thus my question of what other viable options does the President have currently that work better than retaining the Gitmo facility.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    No we don't know, and yes the situation was greatly mishandled. I could name a million different mistakes on the part of the Bush administration in Iraq and Afghanistan. However, this does nothing to alter the present reality of the situation. Thus my question of what other viable options does the President have currently that work better than retaining the Gitmo facility.
    Yes, it is more difficult now, whihc is why it hasn't been done yet, that and the resistence. but, if we really do believe in having core values, we have to think rule of law is one of those. So, we do need to be open, and close a place that so represents a time when we ignored that rule of law. There is really no reason we couldn't move them here, try them in one manner or another, following some rule of law, and punish and release acordingly.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This would be true if Yeman could be certain to be just.
    LOL!

    what an idiot obama is

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, it is more difficult now, whihc is why it hasn't been done yet, that and the resistence. but, if we really do believe in having core values, we have to think rule of law is one of those. So, we do need to be open, and close a place that so represents a time when we ignored that rule of law. There is really no reason we couldn't move them here, try them in one manner or another, following some rule of law, and punish and release acordingly.
    And on that I agree, however the administration that some do pose a viable national security threat if some information is revealed. Also, the main point is that Obama was faced with not funding the military if he sent this bill back. So ultimately one must place the blame at the feet of Congress.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

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    . . . So ultimately one must place the blame at the feet of Congress.
    Exactly what I have been saying. Agreed.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    yup, it's congress, alright

    including FIFTY democrat senators like john kerry and teddy kennedy

    drat that george w what's-his-name

    he shoulda just sent the killers back to yemAn

    oh, wait...

    LOL!

    if only barry were KING!

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