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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    ...while the reputation of George Bush continues to rise.
    I am not sure I would go that far...

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I was talking about US citizens, held for reasons other than terrorism or anything to do with tetrrorism. Murders, and other criminals, held away from the general population for a variety of reasons.

    And sure, everyone wants to go free. And depending on their crime, it might be just to free some. If they were prisoners of war, and the war was over, or could reasonable be expected to be over at some point, then they could expect to be freed at sometime.

    But, if they are criminals, then they need to be tried as criminals and justly imprisoned if guilty of crimes.

    Bush messed this up early on. And now we have to deal with the consequences of that screw up.
    I agree and disagree. If they are prisoners of war, they should only be released, I guess, after the War on Terror concludes....?

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I agree and disagree. If they are prisoners of war, they should only be released, I guess, after the War on Terror concludes....?
    That's the trouble with the concept of a war on terrorism. It's never ending, much like wars on poverty. As a concept, it's flawed. Terrorist are criminals, and guilty of crimes against humanity and should be treated as such, tired and sentenced accordingly, IMHO. But as I said, Bush messed that up.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    And... his justice department had been fighting the idea anyway.

    His term has been largely similar to Bush's 2nd.
    bump Bush's Medicare expansion into his second term to mirror Obamacare, and you have a darn good point there.



    anywho, good for Obama to recognize reality vis-a-vie Gitmo.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I cut President Obama some slack here because he clearly wasn't privy to any of the daily security briefs former Pres. G. W. Bush received until he became President. Making campaign promises is fine while out on the stump; keeping them is different. Some promise Obama has been able to made good on; others aren't as easy as I'm sure he thought they would be. But until folks start really digging into the public records or reading more info about such things instead of relying on the day-to-day media snippets which don't always tell the full story on certain matters, you'll only rely on your partisan point of view.

    Reading...it's fundamental.
    poor barry, how could he possibly have known

    maybe JOHN KERRY should have TOLD him

    or claire mccaskill, jim webb, daniel inouye, daniel akaka, barbara boxer, diane feinstein, patty murray, jay rockefeller, ron wyden, max baucus, bobby byrd, richard blumenthal, jeff bingaman, barbara mikulski, ben nelson, bill nelson, frank lautenberg, robert menendez, mark udall, joe lieberman, bob casey, sherrod brown, thomas carper, bernie sanders...

    or any of the other FIFTY democrat senators who slam dunked the dummy in may of 09

    Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure

    including HARRY REID, HILLARY CLINTON and TEDDY KENNEDY

    because if the former junior senator from illinois didn't know how impossibly complicated this closure was gonna turn out to be...

    well, he must have been awfully lonely

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Grant,

    You have to understand what the circumstances were before you can pass judgement. Here again, it's real easy for us civilians/private citizens to complain that he hasn't closed Gitmo yet, but until you know what things his predecessor did to make that a difficult task - ON PURPOSE - you'll never know the challenges Pres. Obama faces in trying to close down Gitmo.
    I can agree with that but I wouldn't make a campaign promise unless i understood that, in this case, Gitmo could be closed. And as far as I can tell there have been no revelations on what Bush did, on purpose, to make it more difficult for BHO to carry put his promise.

    There's a reason Gitmo was selected; it remains a defacto U.S. held territory that since it's questionable acquisition remains outside the full scope of U.S law. As such, the Bush-Cheney administration kinda made up the rules for detainees there as they went along, but that has caused lots of problems the likes that most people don't know about. It's why I stated previously that, IMO, the only way Gitmo closes is when the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan both come to an end.
    All this information was available to candidate Obama when he was making those promises, or he could have learned them from members in the know, such as Nancy Pelosi. There are no legitimate excuses for him.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I am not sure I would go that far...
    Even the LA Times admits that.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's the trouble with the concept of a war on terrorism. It's never ending, much like wars on poverty. As a concept, it's flawed. Terrorist are criminals, and guilty of crimes against humanity and should be treated as such, tired and sentenced accordingly, IMHO. But as I said, Bush messed that up.
    Do you oppose Obama's two escalations of the war in Afghanistan? I bet you don't because Obama is a leftist. That's the only reason you don't resist the war.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's the trouble with the concept of a war on terrorism. It's never ending, much like wars on poverty. As a concept, it's flawed. Terrorist are criminals, and guilty of crimes against humanity and should be treated as such, tired and sentenced accordingly, IMHO. But as I said, Bush messed that up.
    What's happening now, rather than having the hassle of Gitmo, is that they are just killing these terrorists where they find them. It's far easier that way and there is no bad publicity for President Obama either nationally or internationally. It's another version of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell program.

    George Bush should have done the same thing and kept it out of the public view. People just want to be kept safe, they don't have to know the details of how.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not about releasing all of them. It's about housing those we will keep. not to mention the barriers Bush created in properly trying them.

    And until you actual understand the position of others, you will likely always be stuck in sterotype pretend land.
    There is no need to try or house these poor unfortunate detainees. All Obama has to do is release them to Yemen. That's all and he will have kept his solemn promise. But Obama doesn't care about the validity of his promises or he would keep them wouldn't he?

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