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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Prisoners who are not terrorist have been so held, and we seem quite fine with that.


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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Prisoners who are not terrorist have been so held, and we seem quite fine with that.
    They have been held because they claim they will be killed if they go back. Honestly, if they are not terrorists then why would they be targeted? If you ask me, I think they just want free, do not pass go, US citizenship.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

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    I hope there aren't any drunks or drug addicts around you. you would be what's called an "enabler".....


    seriously man, the new guy, same as the old guy.

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    what did they do to reverse what you think W did wrong?
    Notice you change from him to they. That's my point.

    And if you had actually followed my arguments over the years, you would recall I said even then that it was easier to get in this mess than out of it. There's no magic wand to undo all the damage Bush did.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    They have been held because they claim they will be killed if they go back. Honestly, if they are not terrorists then why would they be targeted? If you ask me, I think they just want free, do not pass go, US citizenship.
    I was talking about US citizens, held for reasons other than terrorism or anything to do with tetrrorism. Murders, and other criminals, held away from the general population for a variety of reasons.

    And sure, everyone wants to go free. And depending on their crime, it might be just to free some. If they were prisoners of war, and the war was over, or could reasonable be expected to be over at some point, then they could expect to be freed at sometime.

    But, if they are criminals, then they need to be tried as criminals and justly imprisoned if guilty of crimes.

    Bush messed this up early on. And now we have to deal with the consequences of that screw up.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    War is hell.... But I guess you wouldn't know about that. eh?
    Not sure what that has to do with anything.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He didn't know any of this while he was campaigning for president, making all the promises, and despite being a law professor?

    You're certainly cutting the man a lot of slack!
    I cut President Obama some slack here because he clearly wasn't privy to any of the daily security briefs former Pres. G. W. Bush received until he became President. Making campaign promises is fine while out on the stump; keeping them is different. Some promise Obama has been able to made good on; others aren't as easy as I'm sure he thought they would be. But until folks start really digging into the public records or reading more info about such things instead of relying on the day-to-day media snippets which don't always tell the full story on certain matters, you'll only rely on your partisan point of view.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    I am not advocating that a politician lie. However, if he is unable to keep a certain promise, and the reason why outweights the potential good of keeping it, then a politician has just become a statesman, not a politician. Only "politicians" keep all promises regardless of the cost.
    I think any reasonable person can understand that circumstances may change that could effect a promise made, but the circumstances regarding Gitmo never changed at all after BHO was elected President. Instead the President continued to blame George Bush for Gitmo, and all other ills, when he should have remained silent and approached the American people forthrightly and with dignity on why he couldn't keep his promise(s).

    Continuously blaming his predecessor for his foolish campaign promises only serves to make him look cheap, while the reputation of George Bush continues to rise.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Notice you change from him to they. That's my point.

    Who does the buck stop with, was a common mantra with left wingers during the bush administration. Your hipocrisy is agaoin noted.



    And if you had actually followed my arguments over the years, you would recall I said even then that it was easier to get in this mess than out of it. There's no magic wand to undo all the damage Bush did.

    Magic wand, hell, Obama hasn't even waived his pecker at the problem and you excuse him, the D congress, and the D house all for failing to act on the policies you want changed.

    They failed you, yet you still defend them...


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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure what that has to do with anything.


    in war, prisoners are captured. They don't want to, or they can't go home, drop em off in thier home countries. ie deport them and wash our hands of it....

    Problem, well your problem anyway is solved.
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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Grant,

    You have to understand what the circumstances were before you can pass judgement. Here again, it's real easy for us civilians/private citizens to complain that he hasn't closed Gitmo yet, but until you know what things his predecessor did to make that a difficult task - ON PURPOSE - you'll never know the challenges Pres. Obama faces in trying to close down Gitmo.

    There's a reason Gitmo was selected; it remains a defacto U.S. held territory that since it's questionable acquisition remains outside the full scope of U.S law. As such, the Bush-Cheney administration kinda made up the rules for detainees there as they went along, but that has caused lots of problems the likes that most people don't know about. It's why I stated previously that, IMO, the only way Gitmo closes is when the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan both come to an end.
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