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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    In other news...mindless partisans continue to ignore the fact that Obama has not only NOT closed GITMO (and instead blame it on Bush) but also ignore the fact that Obama has stepped up secret prisons in the middle east and reversed his position to deny terrorists constitutional rights. Details will NOT be upcoming at noon, 5, and 11...

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I do not see the problem here. The President dislikes something, but realizes it is indeed a necessity, thus he prolongs it for the time being. That is what an elected leader is supposed to do. If he simply kept all of his promises only to hurt the nation he is sworn to defend, then he has accomplished nothing. I for one am glad that politicians are at least intelligent enough to give thought to legislation and change their first opinions, rather than being "fundamentalist" in their ideals and pushing garbage through that serves no purpose other than to "keep promises."
    You are right...there is NOTHING WRONG with the president realizing...ooopsie...maybe Candidate Obama was a little foolish, naive, and playing to a partisan crowd and has to approach things differently as President Obama.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are right...there is NOTHING WRONG with the president realizing...ooopsie...maybe Candidate Obama was a little foolish, naive, and playing to a partisan crowd and has to approach things differently as President Obama.
    All candidates do this. I have not witnessed one election where the candidates have kept their promises. Remember Bush and the Republicans promising to end spending? Yet they inflated spending themselves. There is always a disconnect between a candidate and being President. Reality is not always as easy as ideas.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    In other news...mindless partisans continue to ignore the fact that Obama has not only NOT closed GITMO (and instead blame it on Bush) but also ignore the fact that Obama has stepped up secret prisons in the middle east and reversed his position to deny terrorists constitutional rights. Details will NOT be upcoming at noon, 5, and 11...
    Didn't I ask you for evidence of this? Wonder why you ignored the request?

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    All candidates do this. I have not witnessed one election where the candidates have kept their promises. Remember Bush and the Republicans promising to end spending? Yet they inflated spending themselves. There is always a disconnect between a candidate and being President. Reality is not always as easy as ideas.
    I wholeheartedly agree. Frankly...its refreshing to hear someone that 'leans slightly liberal' to say..."yep...good point...The mans had to learn its a little tougher job than maybe he thought or presented and you cant follow through on everything" instead of making a bunch of excuses and still blaming Bush for everything. And for what its worth, my intial response is the same...to give the guy credit for good intentions and for growing a little on-the-job.

    I think the point about the rabid mouth foamers that were so desperate to criticize Bush and see GITMO shut down now suddenly being silent...well...thats still a pretty salient point. But then...mouth foamers and rabid hyperpartisans are what they are...and its highly unlikely they will ever change. Talking to them is a futile exercise.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree. Frankly...its refreshing to hear someone that 'leans slightly liberal' to say..."yep...good point...The mans had to learn its a little tougher job than maybe he thought or presented and you cant follow through on everything" instead of making a bunch of excuses and still blaming Bush for everything. And for what its worth, my intial response is the same...to give the guy credit for good intentions and for growing a little on-the-job.

    I think the point about the rabid mouth foamers that were so desperate to criticize Bush and see GITMO shut down now suddenly being silent...well...thats still a pretty salient point. But then...mouth foamers and rabid hyperpartisans are what they are...and its highly unlikely they will ever change. Talking to them is a futile exercise.
    It is futile indeed, and I will admit that I voted for him, hoping he would not close Gitmo. I cannot understand the need of Americans to bring those who wanted to blow the country up into the country.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I do not see the problem here. The President dislikes something, but realizes it is indeed a necessity, thus he prolongs it for the time being. That is what an elected leader is supposed to do. If he simply kept all of his promises only to hurt the nation he is sworn to defend, then he has accomplished nothing. I for one am glad that politicians are at least intelligent enough to give thought to legislation and change their first opinions, rather than being "fundamentalist" in their ideals and pushing garbage through that serves no purpose other than to "keep promises."
    If he didn't understand the importance of Gitmo, though most did, then he should not have made those repeated promises.

    How else can we judge a person but by their word? And that's just what a promise is.

    To dismiss a promise as unimportant, and make excuses for not keeping it, is lowering standards to such an extent that any political platforms will become meaningless, and the public will have no one to blame but themselves.

    This looking the other way because it was your candidate who lied or misrepresented himself will serve the other party just as well when their candidate lies. No politician will then be held to any standards whatsoever, and the country will suffer further as a result. We should expect honor and dignity from every politician and avoid the idea that it is a team sport. Instead the electorate, and the media, should again focus on what is best for the country.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one could embarrass Bush more than Bush did. Remeber, always, that he created the problem there. Nothing anyone else does changes that.
    It matters little to liberals, Democrats and other Bush haters that he embarassed himself in their minds. A lot of those people will continue to try to validate it until their last breath. It's kind of like the Sara Palin derangement. How many more examples do people have to throw out there that she is dumb? People like that never quit because they are so arrogant about what they think is true and are amazed that 100% of people don't agree with them. Their truth is absolute truth.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

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    If he didn't understand the importance of Gitmo, though most did, then he should not have made those repeated promises.

    How else can we judge a person but by their word? And that's just what a promise is.

    To dismiss a promise as unimportant, and make excuses for not keeping it, is lowering standards to such an extent that any political platforms will become meaningless, and the public will have no one to blame but themselves.

    This looking the other way because it was your candidate who lied or misrepresented himself will serve the other party just as well when their candidate lies. No politician will then be held to any standards whatsoever, and the country will suffer further as a result. We should expect honor and dignity from every politician and avoid the idea that it is a team sport. Instead the electorate, and the media, should again focus on what is best for the country.
    I am not advocating that a politician lie. However, if he is unable to keep a certain promise, and the reason why outweights the potential good of keeping it, then a politician has just become a statesman, not a politician. Only "politicians" keep all promises regardless of the cost.

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    Re: Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    It matters little to liberals, Democrats and other Bush haters that he embarassed himself in their minds. A lot of those people will continue to try to validate it until their last breath. It's kind of like the Sara Palin derangement. How many more examples do people have to throw out there that she is dumb? People like that never quit because they are so arrogant about what they think is true and are amazed that 100% of people don't agree with them. Their truth is absolute truth.
    Sterotype much? how do you know that the lack of embarassment is not only in your mind?


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