Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

Le Marteau · Jan 11, 2011

buck said:
You apparently don't even have any facts. You just want to blame a conservative. How could you not love that.

You're right -- I didn't have any facts, other than provided in the original post. Based on that, I used Ockham's Razor to deduce my standpoint.

You've given me a fact -- that he shot her for answering a question in a manner he didn't like.

I want to know what that question was, at which point, I'll be able to decide if my former theory still holds water. I'm perfectly willing to admit I was wrong, as I didn't have all the information, and we still don't have it all. However, if anyone can find out what that question was, and what her answer was, it'd go a ways towards settling this all.

buck · Jan 11, 2011

Le Marteau said:
You're right -- I didn't have any facts, other than provided in the original post. Based on that, I used Ockham's Razor to deduce my standpoint.

You've given me a fact -- that he shot her for answering a question in a manner he didn't like.

I want to know what that question was, at which point, I'll be able to decide if my former theory still holds water. I'm perfectly willing to admit I was wrong, as I didn't have all the information, and we still don't have it all. However, if anyone can find out what that question was, and what her answer was, it'd go a ways towards settling this all.

Shoot, someone else might post it for you, but if you'r gong to hold opinions you might actually want to do some research first. So feel free to search for it yourself. I'll give you a hint to help you locate it, she answered in spanish which, apparently, really made the shooter mad.

Barbbtx · Jan 11, 2011

Le Marteau said:
So, what, the Congresswoman was just a random victim? No, he clearly decided, from outside influences, that she was a threat to his ideology.

She was his target. There was a form letter to him thanking him for going to whatever event it was for Gifford in 2007. (the one where he didn't like her answer to his question) on the envelope was written something like My planned assassion Giffords.
Palin and the tea party weren't even on the scene in 2007.

Grant · Jan 11, 2011

Le Marteau said:
You're right -- I didn't have any facts, other than provided in the original post. Based on that, I used Ockham's Razor to deduce my standpoint.

How can you use O.R. if you really don't have the facts?

It seems you really don't understand what Ockham's razor is.

Le Marteau · Jan 11, 2011

Grant said:
How can you use O.R. if you really don't have the facts?

It seems you really don't understand what Ockham's razor is.

Ockham's Razor is ONLY ever used when there is a lack of evidence to point to a direct conclusion.

My God.

Barbbtx · Jan 11, 2011

Le Marteau said:
You're right -- I didn't have any facts, other than provided in the original post. Based on that, I used Ockham's Razor to deduce my standpoint.

You've given me a fact -- that he shot her for answering a question in a manner he didn't like.

I want to know what that question was, at which point, I'll be able to decide if my former theory still holds water. I'm perfectly willing to admit I was wrong, as I didn't have all the information, and we still don't have it all. However, if anyone can find out what that question was, and what her answer was, it'd go a ways towards settling this all.

I'd like to know what fact you have that he EVER listened to talk radio, EVER went to Palin's website, EVER did anything the least bit conservative.
Hell his favorite video (may have been him in it) burning an American flag. Know any conservatives who approve of flag burning?

The Prof · Jan 11, 2011

he reportedly asked her, "what is govt if words have no meaning"

Ex-Friend: Loughner Wanted Eyes of Public, Media - The Early Show - CBS News

you know, that grammar kick of his, again

straight outta the palin playbook

she answered him in spanish, he never got over it

back in 2007, well before most americans ever heard of palin

heck, there's no reason to think the syllogism sycophant could even identify the then senator from illinois

get real

The Prof · Jan 11, 2011

dem congressman brad sherman from CA on fox today: "whether political rhetoric caused what happened in tucson or not, it’ll cause the next tragedy"

RealClearPolitics - Video - Dem Congressman: If Violent Rhetoric Didn't Cause This Shooting, It Will Cause Next One

it reminds me of the sunday, two weeks before obama called upon his hispanic supporters to "punish our enemies," when david axelrod answered cbs' bob schieffer's question, "do you have any evidence" that foreign money is influencing our campaigns with the quick and clever comeback, "well, do you have any evidence that it's not, bob?"

Axelrod Hits Out at Foreign Money in Elections - Face The Nation - CBS News

hey, who needs REASON to ACCUSE when one so desperately WANTS the charge to be true?

Le Marteau · Jan 11, 2011

The Prof said:
he reportedly asked her, "what is govt if words have no meaning"

Ex-Friend: Loughner Wanted Eyes of Public, Media - The Early Show - CBS News

you know, that grammar kick of his, again

straight outta the palin playbook

she answered him in spanish, he never got over it

back in 2007, well before most americans ever heard of palin

heck, there's no reason to think the syllogism sycophant could even identify the then senator from illinois

get real

That's interesting. What am I missing about her answering in Spanish, though?

Barbbtx · Jan 11, 2011

The Prof said:
dem congressman brad sherman from CA on fox today: "whether political rhetoric caused what happened in tucson or not, it’ll cause the next tragedy"

RealClearPolitics - Video - Dem Congressman: If Violent Rhetoric Didn't Cause This Shooting, It Will Cause Next One

it reminds me of the sunday, two weeks before obama called upon his hispanic supporters to "punish our enemies," when david axelrod answered cbs' bob schieffer's question, "do you have any evidence" that foreign money is influencing our campaigns with the quick and clever comeback, "well, do you have any evidence that it's not, bob?"

Axelrod Hits Out at Foreign Money in Elections - Face The Nation - CBS News

hey, who needs REASON to ACCUSE when one so desperately WANTS the charge to be true?

This stuff is irritating the hell out of me.
You all know who sheriff Arpaio is in AZ? The one tough on immigration? He was on O'Reilly and Bill got him talking about all the death threats he gets and they come from people with D's behind their names. (that's how he put it) He was talking about a time when he was in Tuson and there were people protesting him. They had a pinata of him and chopped it's head off. No police no Dumnik Sheriff to be found.
I'd just like someone to show Republicans doing anything comparable. Hell, they don't even litter at their rallies like the pigs on the left.

The Prof · Jan 12, 2011

Le Marteau said:
That's interesting. What am I missing about her answering in Spanish, though?

thank you

i sure wouldn't know, the dude is nuts

but one might guess that he felt disrespected

if it's not in the link pasted, there are many more that quote his former friends saying he just came to hate her

today, msnbc is breaking a 4th note found in the killer's safe at home, "die bitch"

he couldn't believe that she couldn't answer his question, i've seen his friends say

i think a lot of us are working too hard to try to make sense out of something that CAN'T make sense

he's nuts, and it appears he's consumed by hate

there are a lot of people like that

take care, stay up, make yourself look good

Grant · Jan 12, 2011

Le Marteau said:
Ockham's Razor is ONLY ever used when there is a lack of evidence to point to a direct conclusion.

My God.

Here, have a better look. Ockham's razor is not a matter of guessing.

Occam's razor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grant · Jan 12, 2011

Le Marteau said:
That's interesting. What am I missing about her answering in Spanish, though?

Le Marteau, the guy is crazy yet you keep looking for a rational explanation. You're grasping at everything in an attempt to explain his behaviour when Ochham's Razor is right in front of you.

He is crazy!! Anyone who would open fire on a crowd of people is a lunatic. It has noothing to do with responding in Spanish, Sara Palin, or anything like that at all. He is irrational, insane, nuts!! What's not to understand about this?

Le Marteau · Jan 12, 2011

Grant said:
Le Marteau, the guy is crazy yet you keep looking for a rational explanation. You're grasping at everything in an attempt to explain his behaviour when Ochham's Razor is right in front of you.

He is crazy!! Anyone who would open fire on a crowd of people is a lunatic. It has noothing to do with responding in Spanish, Sara Palin, or anything like that at all. He is irrational, insane, nuts!! What's not to understand about this?

Eh, suppose you're right, though in my experience, craziness is often just a cop-out for figuring out a real reason. Though, perhaps, this time there isn't one.

Grant · Jan 12, 2011

Le Marteau said:
Eh, suppose you're right, though in my experience, craziness is often just a cop-out for figuring out a real reason. Though, perhaps, this time there isn't one.

There is only one reason.

He is insane.

The Giant Noodle · Jan 12, 2011

American said:
You knew it was coming, didn't you? The lefties are coming out in droves now, probably we'll have anti-gun nuts all over now.

People that are NOT conservative lemmings like centrist, libertarians, liberals.... you name it.... know that Limbaugh and especially Hannity are "hate-centric". They are salesmen that spread propaganda and hatred. Its a fact. The cop was 100% correct EXCEPT... it really had nothing to do with the shootings.

apdst · Jan 12, 2011

The Giant Noodle said:
People that are NOT conservative lemmings like centrist, libertarians, liberals.... you name it.... know that Limbaugh and especially Hannity are "hate-centric". They are salesmen that spread propaganda and hatred. Its a fact. The cop was 100% correct EXCEPT... it really had nothing to do with the shootings.

Calling Conservatives racists, at every turn, isn't, "hate-centric"? Everybody hates a racist, right?

Grant · Jan 12, 2011

The Giant Noodle said:
People that are NOT conservative lemmings like centrist, libertarians, liberals.... you name it.... know that Limbaugh and especially Hannity are "hate-centric". They are salesmen that spread propaganda and hatred. Its a fact. The cop was 100% correct EXCEPT... it really had nothing to do with the shootings.

If it had nothing to do with the shooting then that cop was just spreading hatreds himself.

As you are now, by the way.

The Giant Noodle · Jan 12, 2011

apdst said:
Calling Conservatives racists, at every turn, isn't, "hate-centric"? Everybody hates a racist, right?

You think conservatives are racist? Or you think someone is calling them racists? Youre not making sense.

If it had nothing to do with the shooting then that cop was just spreading hatreds himself.

As you are now, by the way.

:laughat: Youre funny kid. Let me explain, you are supposed to actually read what I write.... THEN respond.

Because if you DID read what I wrote you wouldnt have that opinion unless you have problems understanding things.

Barbbtx · Jan 12, 2011

The Giant Noodle said:
People that are NOT conservative lemmings like centrist, libertarians, liberals.... you name it.... know that Limbaugh and especially Hannity are "hate-centric". They are salesmen that spread propaganda and hatred. Its a fact. The cop was 100% correct EXCEPT... it really had nothing to do with the shootings.

unbelievable. The only hate is spewed from liberals at Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Palin. They do not spew hate. You just don't happen to agree with them so you choose to call it hate.

cpwill · Jan 12, 2011

Barbbtx said:
The kind of rhetoric that flows from people like Rush Limbaugh, in my judgment he is irresponsible, uses partial information, sometimes wrong information," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said today.

the irony of him making this statement is so thick it actually threatens to magnetize my computer.

cpwill · Jan 12, 2011

apdst said:
Calling Conservatives racists, at every turn, isn't, "hate-centric"? Everybody hates a racist, right?

what about urging hispanics to punish their enemies (republicans)? that's kinda hateful. so is calling for your governor to be put up against a wall and shot.

so, for that matter, is seeking desperately to pin every vile act on your opposition in the hopes that if you fling enough dung, some of it will stick.

cpwill · Jan 12, 2011

Barbbtx said:
unbelievable. The only hate is spewed from liberals at Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Palin. They do not spew hate. You just don't happen to agree with them so you choose to call it hate.

bingo. that's the funniest thing about those who hate beck the most. they never accurately describe the show, so you know they have no idea what they are talking about. same thing for palin and limbaugh (both are pretty good natured, especially when you consider what's hurled at them by the real haters), though hannity i agree is an attack dog.

The Giant Noodle · Jan 12, 2011

Barbbtx said:
unbelievable. The only hate is spewed from liberals at Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Palin. They do not spew hate. You just don't happen to agree with them so you choose to call it hate.

I listen to Hannity almost every night on radio. That along with Art Levin. Sometimes Rush. They CONSTANTLY spew things that make normal people in haters of any other party except their own. AGAIN.... it has nothing to do with the shooting.

See thats an important part of this discussion.
But you tell ME that people like Rush and Hannity and Savage and Levigne DONT spread hatred. I large majority of conservatives and conservative-based people HAAAAATE anybody other than what is in your little circle.

AGAIN..... the cop was correct in what he said BUT it had NOTHING to do with this wack-job shooting anyone. And it wasnt something he should have said to the press.

Barbbtx · Jan 12, 2011

cpwill said:
the irony of him making this statement is so thick it actually threatens to magnetize my computer.

If that jerk had one functioning brain cell, he'd want to crawl in a hole after that idiotic statement.