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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It lets people know where you stand. It may not explain why, but that gum flapping may not matter.
    It doesn't really even do that.

    Are you for higher taxes on the wealthy?
    Higher than who? A progressive tax, yes. Just random gore the wealthy, no.

    Is 250,000 a year wealthy?
    Yes. Compared to 40,000 a year. Sure is.

    Are you for the death penalty?
    No. For two reasons: I don't think we be 100% certain that we're actually killing the right person, and I think death might be too easy for some.

    Do you believe in spreading the wealth around?
    That's more a phrase taken out of context, so there is no way that should ever be a yes or know question. What is meant by the person who uttered such a phrase, and what is meant by the person asking the question? That requires a lot of understanding between the parties.

    Are you for gay marriage?
    Yes. And why matters. How it's painted matters. The question is only good in yes and no form for a vote on the issue. Without discussion, it's really meaningless.

    Do you believe Roe v Wade was a gross overreach by the SCOTUS?
    Much more complicated. And something I'm much less sure.

    Was Algore cheated in 2000?
    No. But the resulting circus was a disgrace for both parties and the courts as a whole. We all lost something in that. Again, a yes or no is meaningless in this discourse, and would only matter if we were somehow voting to do something about it.

    Did the Florida Supreme Court vastly overreach?
    See above.

    Did Bush lie about getting us into Iraq?
    Of course he did, but it too is complicated, and unless we're voting on some action to take places, a yes and no alone is meaningless.

    Did the Dems in Congress vote to send troops to war for political expediency?
    Is that even what they did? Didn't congress as a whole really just pass the buck?

    Did the Dems turn their backs on the troops for political expediency?
    And isn't this just a stupid question? And yes, there are stupid questions.

    You see, in 5 minutes I could learn more about you with Y/N questions than all the gum flapping and rationalizing of positions. Therefore they provide great insight into understanding.
    No, you really couldn't. With no explanation, all you could really do is use those answers to paint any picture you want to paint. And believe me that has become the method of the day in this country. To paraphrase a fictional MLK from the Boondocks cartoon, too many today seek more to use an answer to inaccurately frame a debate or tar an opponent, and too few seek to listen to understand and consider.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not at all. In fact, what you describe is often the reason to ask a yest or no question. You want to skip any explination or any understanding, because with the reason for the answer being open to your interpretation, you can paint it as you please.

    Nonsense. How about just wanting a simple answer, rather than all the BS associated with it?


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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense. How about just wanting a simple answer, rather than all the BS associated with it?


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    Simple answers to complex probklems are usually false and misleading. And in discussin, meaningless. Better for a vote on something, not a discussion. Seeking to understand just requires more.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Simple answers to complex probklems are usually false and misleading. And in discussin, meaningless. Better for a vote on something, not a discussion. Seeking to understand just requires more.

    Understanding, nuance, overly explained, over use of misleading, and often misdirecting language is the mark of a scam artist, not someone that is well intentioned.


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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    I swear boo. You have been having this argument since al gore gave you a commodore 64.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Understanding, nuance, overly explained, over use of misleading, and often misdirecting language is the mark of a scam artist, not someone that is well intentioned.


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    Which is the other extreme. Wouldn't you think there is something inbetween?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Understanding, nuance, overly explained, over use of misleading, and often misdirecting language is the mark of a scam artist, not someone that is well intentioned.


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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which is the other extreme. Wouldn't you think there is something inbetween?
    I am often skeptical of someone who is over explaining anything. Fewer words mean clear understanding. The more you have to gunk up the explanation the more often it is not the truth.


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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Don't forget used car salesmen and politicians.....
    Exactly my point. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid had to sneak through this massive legislation under the cover of Christmas last year, without holding true to one of Obama's solemn campaign promises of transparency why? Because it was too urgent? Please, it doesn't even take full effect for years.

    Remember Pelosi, "We'll have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill." Totally absurd.


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    Re: Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

    He has a legitimate point. What if I ask J-Mac and Zimmer these yes and no questions, with the obvious intent to use their answers against them in the future.

    Do you support increasing government spending?
    Do you support expanding government?
    Do you support increasing government budgets?
    Is the Military part of the Government?
    Do you believe parents should be in charge of raising thier children?
    Do you believe that the government shouldn't have a say with what you do with your health?
    Should we always follow the constitituion?
    Should we follow only parts of the constitution?
    Should we treat all parts of the constitution as equal?
    Should we put limits on constitutional rights?
    Should we put limits on gun ownership?
    Are those who say they don't believe in 9/11 conspiracies, they are just asking questions or doubt the governments claim, really any different than turthers?
    If you're not always conservative are you liberal?
    Do you think increasing the size of government, creating entitlements, and increasing spending are signs of a bad president?
    If we allow gay marriage to happen do you think it will lead to people marrying dogs or polygamy sometime in the next 50 years?
    Was Barack Obama born in the U.S.?
    Is he a legal U.S. Citizen?
    Is he a Muslim?

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