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    Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    "At some point we need to ask the question: How did this man with this history of mental instability end up with this weapon," Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said on CNN's "State of the Union" today.

    "How did he go through the process and end up with this gun and this ammunition?"
    Color me surprised that it took less than 24 hours for someone to turn a tragic event into a political grandstand against gun ownership.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Fighting guns in the hands of criminals and morons is noble but realistically impossible.

    I am not in agreement with you usually but agree with you here that there would be the automatic knee jerk reaction to discuss gun control.

    Now, I am waiting for the automatic knee jerk reaction by a gun owner (which I am one) that if someone had a gun there the damage could have been shorten. That reaction I question. In this particular case if you had been there with a gun could you really have stopped the carnage. In a crowd like that I don't know about firing a shot. You would have to be point blank on him and what are the odds of that. And if you were up that close to him I think the best solution would have been the one taken by the man and woman who tackled him and disarmed him.

    I am still impressed with the unidentified woman who wrestled away his magazine from him. That states a lot about the power adrenaline gives you . That lady is a hero in my book.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    When something goes wrong, there's nothing wrong with asking why.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Color me surprised that it took less than 24 hours for someone to turn a tragic event into a political grandstand against gun ownership.

    Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales
    I think that people should have to undergo a through background check to get a gun. Guns do not kill people, people kill people yes, but we need to try to make sure that something like this does not happen again.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    When something goes wrong, there's nothing wrong with asking why.
    There's nothing wrong with asking why. What's objectionable is when a bunch of idiots are convinced that they KNOW why things went wrong and then try to push their particular brand of bull****, using the tragedy as fodder.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Fighting guns in the hands of criminals and morons is noble but realistically impossible.

    I am not in agreement with you usually but agree with you here that there would be the automatic knee jerk reaction to discuss gun control.

    Now, I am waiting for the automatic knee jerk reaction by a gun owner (which I am one) that if someone had a gun there the damage could have been shorten. That reaction I question. In this particular case if you had been there with a gun could you really have stopped the carnage. In a crowd like that I don't know about firing a shot. You would have to be point blank on him and what are the odds of that. And if you were up that close to him I think the best solution would have been the one taken by the man and woman who tackled him and disarmed him.

    I am still impressed with the unidentified woman who wrestled away his magazine from him. That states a lot about the power adrenaline gives you . That lady is a hero in my book.
    Well said. I pretty much agree with you. As far as another gun owner stopping the shooter, I won't comment on that one way or the other, as I don't know what the situation really was in this particular circumstance. There have been instances where a responsible civilian gun owner has stopped an active shooter, but like you stated, in a tight crowd is not the place to be returning fire. I heartily commend the heroes who stopped this bad guy before he could do more damage. With the amount of ammunition he had available, this could have been far worse.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    I think it raises the reasonable question as to why his history does not show up in the proper database in order to flag him. A college booted him and said he needs to show a mental health evaluation stating he's not a danger to himself or others before he could return. Then the military rejected him as unqualified to serve. These are red flags on record, but if you don't check they obviously wont show up.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I think that people should have to undergo a through background check to get a gun. Guns do not kill people, people kill people yes, but we need to try to make sure that something like this does not happen again.
    The solution to gun crime is never more gun legislation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think it raises the reasonable question as to why his history does not show up in the proper database in order to flag him. A college booted him and said he needs to show a mental health evaluation stating he's not a danger to himself or others before he could return. Then the military rejected him as unqualified to serve. These are red flags on record, but if you don't check they obviously wont show up.
    It's not often that I agree with you, but of all the forms of gun control, detailed background checks are the ones that I, personally, have the least problem with.

    I would far prefer, that the average person just be more educated on firearms and that they were more capable of protecting themselves. Any measure of control can easily lead to a slippery slope of gun confiscation and banning. It's a very fine line to tread.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There's nothing wrong with asking why. What's objectionable is when a bunch of idiots are convinced that they KNOW why things went wrong and then try to push their particular brand of bull****, using the tragedy as fodder.
    I completely agree, if the guy comes up with a pre-packaged solution or if its obvious its just for politics than its shameful. However its a real analysis of how the law might be changed to ensure less people with criminal intent, before the purchase, are allowed to purchase a weapon than there's nothing wrong with it.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    The solution to gun crime is never more gun legislation.
    How about better gun legislation? Making a blanket statement like that really shows your ignorance. Using that statement you could infer that you are suggesting the solution to gun crime is always less legislation.

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