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Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

I would bet that everyone else this forum would agree that that link doesn't prove that the existance of guns is the soul reason for American having a higher crime rate. Everyone but you and Liblady, that is.

fair enough
explain what other factors would create such massive differences in murder rates (in which a gun was used)
 
fair enough
explain what other factors would create such massive differences in murder rates (in which a gun was used)

Demographics is probably number one.
 
How about better gun legislation? Making a blanket statement like that really shows your ignorance. Using that statement you could infer that you are suggesting the solution to gun crime is always less legislation.

Why do we need more?
 
Why do we need more?

do you find the assualts such as the one on the congresswoman acceptable, where better gun controls might prevent such recurrence?
 
do you find the assualts such as the one on the congresswoman acceptable, where better gun controls might prevent such recurrence?


Better gun control probably would not have prevented such an occurance. The shooter was nuts, and could have gotten a gun illegally just as easily.
 
americans exercise what they foolishly feel to be their rights, so many reprobates

Gun sales soared in Arizona and several other states on Monday after the shooting on Saturday of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, according to FBI figures provided to POLITICO.

Gun sales skyrocketed 60 percent in Arizona on Monday, Jan. 10, compared with the corresponding Monday last year. Giffords was shot and critically injured at a public event on Saturday. Six people at the event were killed; 12 others were injured.

In Ohio, sales spiked 65 percent on Monday, the FBI said. They rose 38 percent in Illinois, 33 percent in New York and 16 percent in Florida.

Gun sales skyrocket 60 percent in Arizona - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

pray for ms giffords and the others and their families

no more heated rhetoric, now
 
non auto/semi long arms ... what might be expected to be used for hunting and self defense

handguns should be allowed only for leos and the military

another person who wants to disarm honest people and give criminals free reign
 
i have no issues with hunting, nor do i have issues with a gun used for personal protection, although i do believe in strong regulation. not knowing a lot about guns, can you tell me a why a person would need to get off that many rounds that quickly? a plausible situation, i mean.

generally not knowing about guns and wanting strong regulation go hand in hand
 
to the contrary, an outright banning of all guns would stop a lot of our violence. not that i advocate that, but it's true.

like Chicago and DC were known as being free of murders?

England's violent crime rate went UP after they banned handguns

mexico bans most people from owning guns

you are wrong
 
another person who wants to disarm honest people and give criminals free reign

no, another person who recognizes that the widespread availability of hand guns and automatic weapons leds to criminal use of such offensive arms
no problem with (non semi/auto) long guns to be used as defensive weapons and for hunting

once we harshly prosecute those criminals for possessing handguns, our streets will be safer
 
let's compare murder rates where a gun was used (per 100,000 population):
USA 3.98
england 0.15
japan 0.02

or we could look to the north
canada 0.4

notice how well our guns-for-everybody policy protects us from criminals

source: Gun Facts

what was England't rate before they started banning guns?
 
our homicide rate is 10X that of canada's
the major difference:
tolerance of guns

more stupidity. even Michael Moore admitted that it wasn't the guns.

Look, if you are scared of guns-as you are-don't own one but don't try to disarm other people to salve your feelings of cowardice
 
no, another person who recognizes that the widespread availability of hand guns and automatic weapons leds to criminal use of such offensive arms
no problem with (non semi/auto) long guns to be used as defensive weapons and for hunting

once we harshly prosecute those criminals for possessing handguns, our streets will be safer

you don't even know what an automatic weapon is as evidenced by that idiocy

we already harshly prosecute felons in possession of firearms-the average federal sentence is 8 years for mere possession

now that is a lot of time
 
go find out

I never ask a question I don't know the answer to

it was almost non existent.

in other words, gun control didn't make England Safer
 
I never ask a question I don't know the answer to

it was almost non existent.

in other words, gun control didn't make England Safer

but what we do know is that the nation which tolerates widespread gun ownership has over 26 times the murder rate caused by guns when compared to the nation which restricts gun ownership

USA 3.98
england 0.15

homicides per 100,00 population
 
but what we do know is that the nation which tolerates widespread gun ownership has over 26 times the murder rate caused by guns when compared to the nation which restricts gun ownership

USA 3.98
england 0.15

homicides per 100,00 population

We also know that England had far lower homicide rates than the US even before they had any real gun control (early 20th century). It's cultural.
 
but what we do know is that the nation which tolerates widespread gun ownership has over 26 times the murder rate caused by guns when compared to the nation which restricts gun ownership

USA 3.98
england 0.15

homicides per 100,00 population
England had almost no crime back in the days when they didn't restrict guns

factor out black on black drug crime, we have a lower rate of gun crime than white Briitish
 
Do you even know what demographics means? No wonder you seem to be having a hard time understanding.

that only explains it on this issue:mrgreen:
 
England had almost no crime back in the days when they didn't restrict guns

factor out black on black drug crime, we have a lower rate of gun crime than white Briitish

let's see your stats for both
until then, i call bull****
 
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