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Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

Do you even know what demographics means? No wonder you seem to be having a hard time understanding.

there is a difference of homicide by gun that is over 2600% apart between the USA and england

you insist the difference is explained by "demographics" as if that alone explains it

show us data which identifies what about the differences in demographics is responsible for that 2600+% differential in murder by gun rate

you can't do it
i called you on it
and now you whine because i point out that you are without an explanation to account for the difference

for extra credit offer up the difference in demographics which similarly explains the wide differences in homicide by gun rates with japan and canada
 
there is a difference of homicide by gun that is over 2600% apart between the USA and england

you insist the difference is explained by "demographics" as if that alone explains it

show us data which identifies what about the differences in demographics is responsible for that 2600+% differential in murder by gun rate

you can't do it
i called you on it
and now you whine because i point out that you are without an explanation to account for the difference

for extra credit offer up the difference in demographics which similarly explains the wide differences in homicide by gun rates with japan and canada

Japan and Canada have large black and hispanic communities? They don't, do they?
 
Japan and Canada have large black and hispanic communities? They don't, do they?

show us your data which proves that the demographic differences are responsible in the vast differences in gun homicide rates

what about the variety of ethnicities in england; what about your demographics differences explains the 2600% delta in gun homicide rates

you can't. you won't
the thing that explains the difference in all instances is the availability of guns in the USA
the stats establish a reality you do not want to admit
 
Color me surprised that it took less than 24 hours for someone to turn a tragic event into a political grandstand against gun ownership. :doh

Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

I think the bigger thing to worry about is that the means to intervene and provide help to an individual who's a danger to others isn't there at all - or if it's there's it's extremely broken.

Gun or no gun - he was still a horrible incident waiting to happen.

also - the system that identifies routine offenders and possibly gets them off the streets seems to not be existent in this case, either - several arrests but no rap sheet, obviously something's not going all the way around the circle.
 
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show us your data which proves that the demographic differences are responsible in the vast differences in gun homicide rates

what about the variety of ethnicities in england; what about your demographics differences explains the 2600% delta in gun homicide rates

you can't. you won't
the thing that explains the difference in all instances is the availability of guns in the USA
the stats establish a reality you do not want to admit

Are you admitting that I actually have to show you that and you don't already realize it to be reality?

How sad is that??
 
I think the bigger thing to worry about is that the means to intervene and provide help to an individual who's a danger to others isn't there at all - or if it's there's it's extremely broken.

Gun or no gun - he was still a horrible incident waiting to happen.

also - the system that identifies routine offenders and possibly gets them off the streets seems to not be existent in this case, either - several arrests but no rap sheet, obviously something's not going all the way around the circle.

His mother is/was a county supervisor. Part of the problem, perhaps?

If mom had his record cleared, she needs to go to jail, too.

Doopnik may have had knowledge of that and did nothing about it. That may explain why he's making the fuss that he is...to cover his ass.
 
what percentage of american gun violence is youth on youth?

how are these kids getting THEIR hands on guns, proscribed from them by law?

google "chicago public schools wave of violence"

cnn clued me on to this story a couple years ago, cnn does an update every few months, i've seen quite a few

since 2005, three or four high school kids per month are shot dead by other high school kids in the windy city

several times as many are wounded

which makes obama's promotion of arne duncan, former pro basketball player (obama just digs hoops), from ceo of chicago public schools to united states ed secty all the more inexplicable

duncan couldn't even get the kids to class alive

many blame "renaissance 2010," a program that has kids crossing rival gang territories to get to and from their free or reduced lunch programs

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/...ries/2009/04/09/eveningnews/main4932679.shtml

Chicago Students Face Daily Violence - CBS Evening News - CBS News

Chicago Crime Wave Claims Youth - ABC News

again, how many american shootings are youth and/or gang related?

why haven't age requirements prevented these KIDS from arming themselves?

get real
 
Are you admitting that I actually have to show you that and you don't already realize it to be reality?

How sad is that??

figured stormfront would have some data to prove that the presence of hispanics and blacks in the usa account for the 2600% difference in gun homicides in england and the USA
but appears not
so, we can now recognize that the 26X multiplier in USA gun homicides is the result of our lax gun regulations
 
England had almost no crime back in the days when they didn't restrict guns

factor out black on black drug crime, we have a lower rate of gun crime than white Briitish

The first is false, and the second is false.

The first is false because there has been restrictive gun legislature in the UK since 1903, and so, unless you're using a statistic from the 19th bloody century, I'd like to know where the hell your facts come from.

The second is false because it's simply bloody false -- look up any statistic, anywhere, on any website, that's absolutely untrue. I'll give you some websites, just for starters.

Firstly,

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US's gun-crime rating is 15.22, the Britain's gun rate is .46. Even if you took out all minority gun crime in the US (which there is no good reason to do), white Americans still commit WAY more gun crimes than ALL Brits.

So, stop making up lies.



EDIT: I have to wonder, Turtledude, if you thought you'd get away with making such an ignorant and false claim. I mean, you KNOW I'm English, you KNOW I'm a public servant, you KNOW it is my job to know statistics like the ones you just misquoted.

You couldn't have done worse by going up to a zookeeper and telling them lies about lions. Why on Earth would you try that?
 
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figured stormfront would have some data to prove that the presence of hispanics and blacks in the usa account for the 2600% difference in gun homicides in england and the USA
but appears not
so, we can now recognize that the 26X multiplier in USA gun homicides is the result of our lax gun regulations

Are you thinking that if you say the same thing, over and over, that it will suddenly become fact?
 
The first is false, and the second is false.

The first is false because there has been restrictive gun legislature in the UK since 1903, and so, unless you're using a statistic from the 19th bloody century, I'd like to know where the hell your facts come from.

The second is false because it's simply bloody false -- look up any statistic, anywhere, on any website, that's absolutely untrue. I'll give you some websites, just for starters.

Firstly,

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US's gun-crime rating is 15.22, the Britain's gun rate is .46. Even if you took out all minority gun crime in the US (which there is no good reason to do), white Americans still commit WAY more gun crimes than ALL Brits.

So, stop making up lies.



EDIT: I have to wonder, Turtledude, if you thought you'd get away with making such an ignorant and false claim. I mean, you KNOW I'm English, you KNOW I'm a public servant, you KNOW it is my job to know statistics like the ones you just misquoted.

You couldn't have done worse by going up to a zookeeper and telling them lies about lions. Why on Earth would you try that?

I don't care if you are the queen of England. An FBI/Interpol Study I was privy too in the late 90s noted that White American Gun violence was lower than the same in England and Continental Europe. Scotland is more violent than the USA now. and yes England was less violent than the USA before both countries started gun restrictions.

Your country's emotional and childish reaction to the Dunblane massacre shows you are a land of castrated subjects
 
His mother is/was a county supervisor. Part of the problem, perhaps?

If mom had his record cleared, she needs to go to jail, too.

Doopnik may have had knowledge of that and did nothing about it. That may explain why he's making the fuss that he is...to cover his ass.

From what I've heard: his continual problems, his mother working for the system, his Dad chasing him off into the woods - and all that.

I think they knew he was off his rocker - they saw the signs - they repeated did not act on them - instead (and I might be hasty to draw this conclusion) but it seems like they coddled and protected him - and now they're regretting their inaction.

I don't know whether to hate them or at least feel some sort of sorrow for their situation - my oldest has some communication and social issues and he only has aspergers. It's stressful and after years of it sometimes I just let things slide that I shouldn't. (of course he's not worshipping skulls) but I can only imagine my level of 'coping with it' would fade away if his problems were more severe.

There is absolutely no handbook that helps you parent an emotionally and mentally disturbed person who's falling apart :shrug:

But it sounds like they should have still seen this coming and instituted him.
 
let's compare murder rates where a gun was used (per 100,000 population):
USA 3.98
england 0.15
japan 0.02

or we could look to the north
canada 0.4

notice how well our guns-for-everybody policy protects us from criminals

source: Gun Facts




Insanley biased source that cherry picks at the facts for it's agenda.



take out criminal on criminal gun crime and we are better.... furthermore, you need to look at assault rates and other crimes to get an honest picture.
 
Insanley biased source that cherry picks at the facts for it's agenda.



take out criminal on criminal gun crime and we are better.... furthermore, you need to look at assault rates and other crimes to get an honest picture.

translation:
being without a valid rebuttal the rev will attempt to impugn your source

he then says we should look at different data but FAILS to provide any other data
 
the hand guns are too easily concealed ... that makes them prime weapons of choice for offensive rather than defensive purposes. semi/auto also have an offensive purpose
combined with that would be absolute enforcement of laws prohibiting the carrying of handguns - with stiff prison time penalties for those found carrying those weapons
yes, then the only ones carrying handguns would be those intending to perpetrate crime
eliminate victimless crime laws and then refill the prisons with those who insist on carrying handguns

that silly notion of yours has proven so useful in DC and Chicago
 
no, it wouldn't change that, but making all guns illegal would drive down the rate of violent crimes, period. there really is no dipsuting that.

I dispute that-it would create a black market for guns that would be far bigger than the drug market
 
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