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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

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    And now, you don't get it, either.

    Let's look at Liblady's original comment:



    Nobody ever said anything about America's crime rate being lower than anyone else's.

    The factual comment that she made, is that gun bans cause violent crime to go down. That's untrue.
    actually, it is you who is unable to wrap his head around what the facts are telling us

    the incidence of murder by guns is dramatically lower in those countries which restrict gun ownership
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    actually, it is you who is unable to wrap his head around what the facts are telling us

    the incidence of murder by guns is dramatically lower in those countries which restrict gun ownership
    Lower than it was before they restricted guns?

    Guns don't make criminals. There are many more fators that effect crime rates.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Lower than it was before they restricted guns?

    Guns don't make criminals. There are many more fators that effect crime rates.
    our homicide rate is 10X that of canada's
    the major difference:
    tolerance of guns
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    our homicide rate is 10X that of canada's
    the major difference:
    tolerance of guns
    Prove that.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prove that.
    note the difference in laws, where canada effectively allows only long guns:
    A Practical Guide to Canada's Gun Laws for Americans

    notice the difference in homicide rate where guns are used:
    USA 3.98 per 100,000 population
    canada 0.4 per 100,000
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    There are federal laws that add time to crimes committed with a fire arm so thinking that scaring criminals with strict guns laws flawed.

    to the contrary, an outright banning of all guns would stop a lot of our violence. not that i advocate that, but it's true.
    No, it is not true at all. I can tell you that if there were no guns on this planet the level of violence would rise because the police would have no way to confront the criminals. Banning guns has not worked to stop violence; it just means that the public has no guns while the criminals do. Murder and rape are banned but here in Texas we just caught a man who had raped at least nine elderly women. He didn’t need a gun or a knife but if one of those old women had been armed he might not have raped the others.

    The level of violence in cities like Washington D.C. and Chicago clearly serve as evidence to the contrary.
    Great examples of an over balance of criminals having more guns than the public at large. Much of the violence in DC and Chicago is over drug turf so even without guns the drug dealers would kill their rivals.

    the supply would dry up.
    Just like the supply of drugs? How would you deal with the guns that are already in the hands of law abiding citizens?? You can’t have mine…….

    if I was 100% guaranteed that the anyone else could protect me and my family, without my guns, as well as I can protect myself with them, I'd give up my firearms in a heartbeat
    Even with such a guarantee I would and will not give up my responsibility to protect my family.

    Assuming all guns magically disappeared, we would simply have more crime with other weapons.
    Right you are. I can deal with three guys with knives if I’m armed but naked I will get cut up.

    countries with guns bans have far less violent crime than we do.
    Mexico?? Other countries that have more restrictive gun laws have a less diverse population.

    Fox News: Not Racists, but #1 with Racists.
    Please refrain from attack the majority of the public that watch the news. Or show evidence that people who watch Fox News are racists??

    actually, it is you who is unable to wrap his head around what the facts are telling us

    the incidence of murder by guns is dramatically lower in those countries which restrict gun ownership

    Just because the Japanese have a lower incidence of gun violence is meaning less because they just don’t kill each other like our drug dealers do.

    our homicide rate is 10X that of canada's
    the major difference:
    tolerance of guns
    One more time. Look at who is killing who and tell us what Canada has to do with this argument? Canada doesn’t have a population of criminal drug dealers willing to kill their competition.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Now, now. That wasn't very honest. Take a look at England now:

    Total crimes (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it." - Judge Learned Hand

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    note the difference in laws, where canada effectively allows only long guns:
    A Practical Guide to Canada's Gun Laws for Americans

    notice the difference in homicide rate where guns are used:
    USA 3.98 per 100,000 population
    canada 0.4 per 100,000
    I would bet that everyone else this forum would agree that that link doesn't prove that the existance of guns is the soul reason for American having a higher crime rate. Everyone but you and Liblady, that is.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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