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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    The problem with background checks is not everybody buys a gun from a dealer.

    One drastic measure would be life imprisonment for any crime committed with a gun. Wouldn't prevent first timers but would take out some repeat criminals.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There's nothing wrong with asking why. What's objectionable is when a bunch of idiots are convinced that they KNOW why things went wrong and then try to push their particular brand of bull****, using the tragedy as fodder.
    I don't see that as happening here, though. The quotes in the article are standard political vague nonsense, with the one exception of pointing out a legitimate issue of inconsistent computer checks.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think it raises the reasonable question as to why his history does not show up in the proper database in order to flag him. A college booted him and said he needs to show a mental health evaluation stating he's not a danger to himself or others before he could return. Then the military rejected him as unqualified to serve. These are red flags on record, but if you don't check they obviously wont show up.

    Beyond committing a crime people do have a right to privacy.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    How about better gun legislation? Making a blanket statement like that really shows your ignorance. Using that statement you could infer that you are suggesting the solution to gun crime is always less legislation.


    Define "better" gun control before you go spouting off about ignorance.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    You already have to go through the NICS (National Instant Check System) when buying a gun legally from a dealer. Any red flags (mental, substance, criminal) are supposed to pop up and prevent the sale.

    However, he might have stolen the gun, or bought it from a drug dealer, likely as not.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Beyond committing a crime people do have a right to privacy.
    Which you voluntarily waive for the purposes of purchasing a gun, or any number of other things that require a background check.
    I mean, your credit history has a lot of data on you too. Doesn't mean you have a right to keep it hidden from someone trying to give you a loan.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You already have to go through the NICS (National Instant Check System) when buying a gun legally from a dealer. Any red flags (mental, substance, criminal) are supposed to pop up and prevent the sale.

    However, he might have stolen the gun, or bought it from a drug dealer, likely as not.

    The gun was legally purchased according to the article.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Color me surprised that it took less than 24 hours for someone to turn a tragic event into a political grandstand against gun ownership.

    Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales
    In this case, it is absolutely correct to question Arizona's gun laws. I hope they change them. He purchased the gun on November 30th. This past fall, he was refused admittance to community college until he provided a mental health evaluation. He was turned down when he tried to enlist....military citing "unqualified." Psych eval sucked?

    Arizona gun law? Anyone over the age of 18 can own one. How about a background check and three references? "That sure doesn't seem unreasonable to me," says the gun owner from Chicago. They absolutely should be looking at how this guy was able to buy a gun -- with his history, turning him down would be a no-brainer.

    However, I'd also tell Durbin that he could purchase one illegally on the inner-city street corner of any major city regardless of any law. Smoke that, Senator.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post


    Define "better" gun control before you go spouting off about ignorance.
    Better would be something which would have caught this guy, or in general would ensure this is less gun crime, of course 'better' is entirely subjective. I'm not suggesting I have a solution, and I know there's no such thing as a perfect solution. I was merely attempting to point out the sillyness of implying the only solution is less gun legislation and all and every additional gun legislation is wrong.

    Personally, being from Arizona and a gun owner, I like our state's gun laws. However I don't think there perfect. One idea I got from looking at the article comes from the first paragraph "Jared Loughner's behavior was so disturbing, he was forced to withdraw from community college classes last fall, told he could return only with a mental health evaluation showing he "does not present a danger to himself or others." Now I don't know who decided this man couldn't return to school for mental health reasons, if it was a medical professional or just some person working there. However if a medical professional did decide an individual needed a mental health evaluation to show he "does not present a danger to himself or others" it would be a good reason in my opinion to throw up a red flag during your pre-purchase check at the gun store.

    Course that's a pretty simple example and I'm by no means saying its what we should do, its just an idea to look into to help ensure less of this crimes occur.

    I'm trying to think about how to improve our laws to avoid crimes like these, as opposed to just throwing up my arms and saying "well I guess there's nothing we can do!"

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You already have to go through the NICS (National Instant Check System) when buying a gun legally from a dealer. Any red flags (mental, substance, criminal) are supposed to pop up and prevent the sale.

    However, he might have stolen the gun, or bought it from a drug dealer, likely as not.
    He purchased it legally, meaning the NICS didn't flag him.

    The question is, could his university mental health issue or his military service denial be something kept in a database that is added to the NICS system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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