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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What? Total submission?





    Most crimes are committed with illegal guns, making all guns illegal wont change that fact.
    no, it wouldn't change that, but making all guns illegal would drive down the rate of violent crimes, period. there really is no dipsuting that.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

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    the same thing that stops them now, since i do not carry

    but their number would diminish once it became illegal for them to possess small arms; they would become easily identifiable as criminals, which is not the instance today
    Please. This is laughable. How many people do you think carry a weapon undetected every day in the US? Btw, you already made your argument completely ridiculous when you said it was ok to carry this:


    ...but not this:

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, it wouldn't change that, but making all guns illegal would drive down the rate of violent crimes, period. there really is no dipsuting that.


    So UK, Australia did not see assaults and home invasions go up?


    fact is, if you take out gang crime and criminal on criminal activity, our murder rates are better than these other countries. making all guns "illegal" would simply open up a black market for these gangs... and then what...

    example.... weed is illegal.... I'm sure glad there is no weed in the US.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, it wouldn't change that, but making all guns illegal would drive down the rate of violent crimes, period. there really is no dipsuting that.
    Actually, there is. Guns prevent somewhere in the neighborhood of 6,500 crimes a day. Again, please check your facts.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

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    I encourage you to do some actual research and not believe every little thing you've been told. This has been discussed at length in other threads on these boards. Forgive me for not wanting to rehash all those pages again. Bottom line, court cases have ruled that someone can be raping you in your home and the police don't have to respond to the call or enter the house even if they do decide to drive down your street.
    they have? gonzalez v castle rock? is that the same thing as knowingly ignoring a rape in progess?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    I love people who think that they are authorities and go on to show us how little they know about the subject.

    Obviously the semi-auto fires each time you pull the trigger, whereas the single shot must be cocked before each shot.
    All fire arms must be cocked before each shot. A single shot has to be loaded before each shot and then cocked before it will fire. Auto loaders – like the one used in the AZ shootings – have to be cocked before the first shot and then it automatically cocks itself as the first expended cartridge is ejected, loads another round and is ready to fire again very quickly.

    I guarantee you that in the time you fire a single shot pistol
    Why on Earth would anyone carry a single shot pistol for protection??? I can’t imagine why anyone would carry a single action pistol for protection with the variety of autos on the market. My smallest 380 auto holds 6 shots but I prefer my military model Colt 380 auto that holds 7 shots and has a longer barrel.

    MTY angry guy, the AZ shooter was within two yards – which is more likely in an assault of this type– and fired all of his rounds in about ten seconds.

    Let’s also think about what else happened at the scene. A person with a hand gun in his possession was in position to shoot the shooter but decided to tackle him and stop the killing with less that lethal force. Had it been me the shooter would be leaking from seven to fourteen holes – possibly with a couple of the hits being hard shots to the head. I might have shot him a few times with his own gun as well just to be sure he didn’t run away.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post

    All fire arms must be cocked before each shot. A single shot has to be loaded before each shot and then cocked before it will fire. Auto loaders – like the one used in the AZ shootings – have to be cocked before the first shot and then it automatically cocks itself as the first expended cartridge is ejected, loads another round and is ready to fire again very quickly.



    Why on Earth would anyone carry a single shot pistol for protection??? I can’t imagine why anyone would carry a single action pistol for protection with the variety of autos on the market. My smallest 380 auto holds 6 shots but I prefer my military model Colt 380 auto that holds 7 shots and has a longer barrel.
    I'm well aware of how a firearm works. My description was an oversimplification of the process for the benefit of liblady, who asked why someone would NEED to carry a semi-auto. Without getting into the technicalities of single-action versus double action, because she said she was not very familiar with firearms, I explained it to her...


    You seem to have misunderstood which side I'm on, which is odd considering I've been stating my opinion very clearly.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    they have? gonzalez v castle rock? is that the same thing as knowingly ignoring a rape in progess?
    Castle Rock v. Gonzalez was ignoring a kidnapping in progress. Try looking up Warren v. District of Columbia.
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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    I explained it to her...


    You seem to have misunderstood which side I'm on, which is odd considering I've been stating my opinion very clearly.
    You didnít explain it very well so you didnít accomplish much. I understand whose side you are on Ė but I am on the side of truth. As for the clarity of your position - - as simple as dirt Ė could be iron or it could be coal. Get over your anger, scratch around in the dirt and you may find a gym to show Liberal Lady. The more dirt clods you show her the less attention she will pay you.

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What? Total submission?
    maybe it's the intimidation
    you have experienced it
    Most crimes are committed with illegal guns, making all guns illegal wont change that fact.
    it will make it much easier to identify weapons which should not be present
    and by making their possession illegal, it should keep many perps off the street for having carried
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    You didn’t explain it very well so you didn’t accomplish much. I understand whose side you are on – but I am on the side of truth. As for the clarity of your position - - as simple as dirt – could be iron or it could be coal. Get over your anger, scratch around in the dirt and you may find a gym to show Liberal Lady. The more dirt clods you show her the less attention she will pay you.
    Refute the premise of my argument then, not the simplistic terms I used to attempt to make a more publicly accessible point.





    ...also, why would I have to show liblady the "gym" I don't think I ever claimed to have a problem with her physical fitness level.
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